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Leandros
17-12-2002, 05:08 PM
hey there!

today I received an eMail from Nokia regarding my website. unfortunately I've got to remove everything with copyright from Nokia from my site but please read it youself along with my reply:

From: Leandros <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Your web pages nokia.sno.at, Intellectual property rights of the Nokia Group
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:38:34 -0500
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On Tuesday 17 December 2002 05:43, you wrote:
> CC: Leandros XXXXXX, XXXXgasse n/n, A-10X0 Wien, AUSTRIA

wow, gratulations for utilising whois service!
I don't like my exact dates to be sent text/plain anyways, guys.

> It has recently come to our attention that you maintain internet sites at
> the address nokia.sno.at. The sites contain material from Nokia service
> bulletins and manuals to repair hints. This material is strictly
> confidential and ment for company internal use only inside the Nokia Group.
> None of this material should ever be published on a public web site.

you know, knowledge is power and besides things like copyright (which I don't
(or didn't) respect in terms of knowledge because it means that knowledge
couldn't spread) there is no reason to prohibit spreading of knodledge.
just think about what would have happened if important historic scientists
wouldn't have spread their knowledge! we rather would be in the middle ages
than we are now. just think about it.
but I understand and respect your concern to not distribute your copyrighted
material anyways, allthough it's kind of human right to get knowledge, at
least in my GNUed eyes. but anyways, unfortunately I've got to do what you
like - so if you want to prohibit the spreading of knowledge, I've got to
support you in your, in my eyes, totaly false way, if I like it or don't.


> In principal the Nokia Group owns copyright to, inter alia, all of the
> literary material deriving from inside the Nokia Group, including material
> from different business units. The manner you are using our company
> confidential material, when publishing it on a public website, infringes
> the copyright of the Nokia Group.

unfortunately.


> NOKIA is a registered trademark of Nokia Corporation and as a trademark
> owner our company has the exclusive right to use the aforementioned
> trademark. Any unauthorised use of the trademark infringes the exclusive
> right of Nokia Corporation. We do not allow our trademark to be diluted due
> to wrong use. The unauthorized use of the trademark NOKIA as part of your
> domain name nokia.sno.at infringes the exclusive rights of Nokia
> corporation.

we're talking about subdomains, right?
it's created through an wildcard A entry:
*.sno.at. 119995 IN A 212.17.83.233

there is no way to prohibit that.


> In addtion to the above, we have also noticed that on the aforementioned
> sites you offer certain software, such as MCU and PPM packeges, virgin
> EEPROM and flashes for different Nokia phones, for downloading. The said
> software also appears to be subject to the copyright of the Nokia Group and
> and we cannot allow you to distribute such material on your web pages.

yes, there's no argument against it. you've got the copyright on your
firmware.

but please consider, is it really right to prohibit spreading of knowledge
(manuals, bulletins)?
please really consider it and consider to support the community with your
service bulletins, service manuals etc.. if I buy a handset it's my right to
get as much knowledge about it as possible. it's my natural right to get to
know how to open it, where which part is located etc...
and you shall give the technical advanced customer these rights!


> We look forward to receiving your written confirmation by 31 December 2002
> that you have removed all the infringing material from your web sites
affirmative.

> as
> well as the initial part " nokia" from the domain name nokia.at.sno

nokia.sno.at is a subdomain created by a wildcard A entry, so as mentioned,
you can't prohibit that!



> and
> that you will in the future refrain from any infringing use or distribution
> of the material that is subject to copyright or trademark rights of the
> Nokia Group, Nokia Corporation or any other Nokia related company.
affirmative.

> By the above date we also require a written report from you stating where
> you have been able download or to get access to all of the confidential
> material published on your aforementioned websites. Please mention the
> names of all the persons/companies involved.

are you serious?
please check out www.google.com and find out relevant keywords yourself.
so, by best will, I can't tell you any persons/companies involved. that's
simply your task :þ


to resume my point:
I respect your concern anyways and I will remove the copyrighted material from
my site in advance of the 31.12., but please just think about what I've said
about knowledge. it would be much better if you'd consider to make service
manuals and bulletins public! and if you don't, as you see with my example,
the knowledge will spread anyways. it's in your choice.


best regards to Finland,

Leandros XXXXXXXX

Sinister Frog
17-12-2002, 10:06 PM
bugger....
thats bad
well....if u can be bothered just move the content somewhere else
and delete ur current stuff
thats complying with their email
and let them find the rest of it!
its not ur job to figure it out for the guy getting paid to do it!

green gerbil
18-12-2002, 12:08 AM
Well this gives you an interesting little life lesson.... Never put your real name anywhere. Also, if they sent me an email like that I would tell them to fuck off. If they gave even half a shit they would send a real letter to your address, even then I would have the site examined by a lawyer to see if its just scare tactics or if they have a case.

Brdo
18-12-2002, 12:59 AM
fuck them, just DON'T DELETE IT!!! Send it to someone or upload it to a site, i am sure MANY people are willing to help. They will say what you did (i got it on googe.com).

NOKIA REALLY SUX TO NOT SUPPORT THIS AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A POOL ON THIS!

MrBrdo

Or try to move it under kikoko.sno.at/ or some other random subdomain..

slikmik
18-12-2002, 01:47 AM
HEY GUYS KEEP NOKIA.SNO.AT

IM WILLING TO HELP

I CAN HOST ON MY HOME PC TEMPERARILY FOR YOU GUYS AND THEN I CAN GET A PRETTY MUCH **FREE** .CO.UK DOMAIN REGISTERED SO LETS GET THIS SORTED THEN THAT PAGE CAN REDIRECT TO ANOTHER ONE AND IF THEY TRY TO CLOSE YOU DOWN JUST SAY "NEH" AND HOST SOMEWHERE ELSE ;)

MIKE

rustyz
18-12-2002, 02:12 AM
Who know there is a spy in the fourm, better watch out.You may be spy next.Beware.

pipoy
18-12-2002, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by Brdo
fuck them, just DON'T DELETE IT!!! Send it to someone or upload it to a site, i am sure MANY people are willing to help. They will say what you did (i got it on googe.com).

NOKIA REALLY SUX TO NOT SUPPORT THIS AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A POOL ON THIS!

MrBrdo

Or try to move it under kikoko.sno.at/ or some other random subdomain..
YEAH! FUCK THEM TOO! LONG LIVE NOKIA.SNO.AT
:mad: :mad: :mad:

liteFun
18-12-2002, 02:47 PM
long live *.sno.at :)

put nokia.sno.at point to nokia.com :D

Doc
18-12-2002, 03:08 PM
Hey guys!

Don't forget about the fact that there is a COPYRIGHT on all that stuff (bulletins, manuals, MCU, PPM etc.)

U will have to respect it. - no way out.
But no doubt about I totally agree with Leandros in havin' a right to knowledge and information.

In former times u also got the circuit to an electronic device when u bought it.
Nowadays the customer is kept stupid for the technical side. Everything is just a black box and stop.

My suggestion is to keep on makeing the data available but always under the strict theme of "for educational proposes only".

(in fact it's like before then but without waking sleeping dogs :)

Doc

Brdo
18-12-2002, 04:25 PM
Also put a disclaimer, something like if you are affiliated in any way with NOKIA company or are a former worker, you can not enter this site... if you enter the site you are violating the internet privacy act signed in .. by bill clinton.... therefore you cannot threaten the person who owns this site, it's ISP or any relatives of the person hosting it.. OR this data is only here for a personal backup, you should NOT download any of the files on this site! if you do you are violating the internet privacy act signed in.... AND/OR this files are provided for educational and study reasons only and may not be downloaded for other reasons like flashing...

Also you can protect it with a code and post the code here but that isn't that necesarry... also change the site a little so it will not be 100% the same...

MrBrdo out.

GeeZuZz
18-12-2002, 06:17 PM
Put a disc***** at the first page where you write: "if you in any way are related to Nokia, you don't have permission to enter this page"

Salami1_1
18-12-2002, 07:02 PM
and just rename some files..
so the filename does not say it has nokia stuff inside just only put that in the discription next to the downloads.
and that you must give the links where you got that info :D just say nokia.com have a look around all soft it there for download :D
WBR

Salami1_1

nokiA?? did you ever heard of nokia??? what is that ?? never heard of it :) can you eat it? :P

phantom2002
18-12-2002, 09:33 PM
heard of who ? N0kia ? N0k1a ?

Have nokia's dudes ever tried looking ? their are hundreds of websites containing the same material and some times more lol


I say Fu&k Them, if we didn't have this information i doubt that nokia would be the market No.1.......cos if u can't "service" them then we ain't gonna buy them to play with or stuff are we ?

Besides i think that ericsson/sony do a good enough job now to keep up :)

If nokia didn't leak their info then how the fuc&k did dejan and some others really do it ? and where did pc_locals come from ?

What about modified flashes do they count, or are they going to make us stick to license agreements like microsoft when we buy a new phone ? you must not disassemble re-engineer or play with your new phone software if it allows you some pleasure !!! ffs

lets show them we are not interested in the politics of this matter, just simply the electronics and servicing side :) 4 fun !!

Regards

GeeZuZz
18-12-2002, 10:43 PM
Maybe Nokia is jealous, because g3gg0, joox and other guys know more than they do... :) Slideshow, inverting display, fading LEDs, security code in inbox etc...) :D

phantom2002
18-12-2002, 10:55 PM
i say well done to those guys that have developed their own ideas :) without them lots wouldn't be possible

WBR

Sinister Frog
20-12-2002, 09:34 PM
hell yeah
those guys deserve respect
they have enhanced our modification experience with the things they think up
nokia probably are jealous

catweasel
21-12-2002, 12:35 PM
Hi all,

There is absolutely no doubt in this world that Nokia have leaked information about their handsets & published connectivity
downloads to the web for developers.

It is down to this that Nokia have the features they have on the newer phones, It is certainly not due to the good ideas of their tec's.

So Nokia use other poeples work & pass it off as their own, in my books that makes their claim to copyright dubious.

To the poeple at Nokia: Cut off your nose to spite your face if you want to but don't forget that in the long term you need us out here much more than we need you, Think about it now because its too late when you are drawing your unemployment benefit or worse you are bankrupts.....WAKE UP NOKIA!

Freedom forever, regards to all.

Leandros
21-12-2002, 04:48 PM
thanks for your replies guys!

everyone who's got the possibilities to serve files 24/7 at good bandwidth, please grab this file to mirror my docs!

http://nokia.sno.at/nokia.sno.at-docs.zip
it's 123MB in size.

please mail appropriate URLs so I can publish them at nokia.sno.at or do a redirect.

so those who've got the possibility to help: do it! the guys out there will be very happy about it :)

best regards

P.S.: happy christmas and a nice and productive 2003 to everyone!

Brdo
28-12-2002, 11:55 PM
no man you can't post the link on the site.. nokia may be dumb, but they're not that stupid to not try to block the linked sites too..