Which dct4 offline calc should I post in the FAQ in your opinion?

[bobl]

Offline calcs w/out dongles are plentiful now, which one do you think I should post in the FAQ. (There are many in the dct4 unlock forum)

I just don't know which one to choose, which one do you think is the most user friendly? Have you found some that aren't in the Unlock Forum?

Please help :)

Cheers

Bob

[Romeo26222]

post them all :D

[bobl]

lol, okay, I'll post a "selection". I can't believe how many offline ones there are :)

Cheers

Bob

[dr.bizar]

Cheers Bob. - Yes it's me again :)

I would recomend the calc from "cyberdog" and hollowman"

1) it's the most stable calc yet.
2) It got a win gui, and are by far the most easy to use yet.
3) calcs ver2

Here you go -

[Kontact]

hello bobl

there r lots of shelled dct4 calc being made... all of them surely use the dct4nck.exe console program by jozso.

maybe a real window dct4 calc would be perfect.

regards,

[bobl]

Thanks guys, been kinda AFK for a bit. Cheers for your responses

Yeh, I'll post those when I get round to the FAQ (some other stuff first :( )

@Kontact

Yeh, I was aware that most were just powered by jozso's exe, but I don't think it matters too much. ...Apart from that fact most haven't given credit!

Windows or console, it's still good :)

Cheers

Bob

[slikmik]

Why dont we make a "nokiafree version" :)

Im currently throwing together a VB6 shell for dct calc

Just need to figure out combo boxes me thinks

Either way i think thats a good idea

Cheers bobl your a great member of nokiafree ;)

Mike

[phantom2002]

why improve on Cyberdog & hollowmans effort ? their version is well laid out and everything is working 100%, they DON'T give credit to jozso for releasing the dos based dct4 calc on which all the shells and GUI's are based including their own dct4 calc.

which is a pity as he should be hailed a hero for releasing it.

I guess what i am saying is this is the easiest windows GUI version why bother making look more pretty or adding features like fullscreen mode ! (last bit was a joke, but do keep in mind that some ppl have VERY VERY bad eye sight!!)

The Cyberdog and Hollowman Version 2 Calculator is available on my website for d/l :) www.phantom.mirrorz.com

WBR

[chunkhead]

Sorry for the stupid question but, am I right in assuming that these DCT-4 Calc programs work without the need for dongles\cables\boxs etc.? I just type in the imei, network and it'll give me the correct code, just by using the software???:(

[NokDoc]

Mr. ChunkHead,

I suffer the same question.

It might mean, we can stop allowing the dct4 code requests on forum, since there is a good reliable alternative available?

I really wouldn't mind doing that, personally.

Please one of U calc wizzards help Us out.

NokDoc

[bobl]

You see I was in the same boat, I didn't realise that code calculation had been ported to single exe, but it has (Take a look in the dct4 forum etc)

Take a look at the zip and you'll see it works fine without a dongle.

So yes, the reason I am doing this is to get people generating it themselves, I was gonna ask for the change to be made later once I have time to sort out the newbie faq :)

Cheers

Bob

[Alinus]

we'll do this soon.
after the reorganization of the board forum for free calc dct 4 codes will be closed.

[bobl]

Okay, cool :)

Bit of a waste of bandwidth/space when people sign up just for their phone to be unlocked.

:)

Cheers

Bob

[BOEBOE]

@ Alinus

What type of reorganisition will you do?
Remove DCT4 Newbie codes gimme's?

Usefull would be that you remove all the attachments in posts that you can find on the net itself or in the download area

PS, Whats the diff between Dongle v1 and Dongle v2 ?
Are these dongles HW diff are SoftWare diddferent?

[chunkhead]

I've got hold of the "DCT-4 Calculator by CYBERDOG & HOLLOWMAN", and it seems to work, generating codes and all, but as boeboe said, what's with the option for "Calculate v2 codes"? It's my understanding that the v2 is for the 3510i!? Should I use v1 for all other phones???:(

[bobl]

no chunkhead mate, just use v2 codes fullstop.

They should work 100% on all dct4 phones...should...

@BOEBOE

Minor difference between two numbers by 1 digit I believe, hardware difference in dongle. But the post has free V1 and V2 codes without a dongle :D

Cheers

Bob

[BOEBOE]

OK, Thank You...

PS... Empty your PM box...

CU

[bobl]

Okay, I went and deleted a lot of PMs ;)

Cheers

Bob

[wwanthony]

This one by Myke is by far the best one.

http://nokiafree.org/forums/attachment.php?postid=168516

All the others produced dialog box errors on both of my PCs so I guess they do it to all others using WinME.

This one by Myke has all the functions of that cyber hollowman one but is much more stable.

The link is to a little self installer I put together, which includes some helpful information for people who dont know how to use it. It only installs to C:\dct4calc so once its installed you can just zip up that folder and abandon the installer if you wish.

[bobl]

@wwanthony

Any reason why you're on WinMe?

Can't you install 98SE or 2k or XP? All three are better :)

But thanks for the link. I think mik is working on a NFree version :)

Cheers

Bob

[wwanthony]

Hi Bob,
I have all three of those operating systems and have tried them all. They all have their own ups and downs but the BEST all-rounder is definately WinME!!!

Tried, Tested...Confirmed.

[chunkhead]

@wwanthony

Hmmmm!!!! WinME???? Microsofts test software! Why would you claim it's stable? ME was microsofts way of testing all their new programs and routines and little tweaks! They flooded the world PC market with it, sat back and waited for all the complaints from people telling them what was wrong with it and what they liked! They then took this new information, fixed the problems and\or deleted\added features and released Microsoft Windows XP!:D

It has more holes then a sinking ship! I use 98SE! Xp offers me nothing at the moment that I want! I can fix 98SE!:p ;)

[bobl]

Minor point Chunkhead...

ME was 9x based...M$ tried to improve 98SE...failed miserably.

2k was NT based....M$ saw people loved NT based...they built XP so everyone could use it and ...there you go.

Probably the best M$ operating system. It's fast, it's stable. It may look crap, but turn everything back to classic windows...or use a decent explorer shell, e.g. litestep.

Still, 98 is the best for flashing, XP is the best for pretty much all other stuff..

Linux is overall better...

Reminds me, I gotta get Unlocking working on *nix...

Cheers

Bob

[Alinus]

stai on the subject please:)

[slikmik]

Anybody here program in vb6 so we can team up and make a nokiafree dct4 unlock shell??

ive made a start but it could be alot better i believe

if so please PM me as i dont want this thread turning into a diff topic as ALINUS mentioned

regards
mike

[BOEBOE]

Hi,

I started too with DCT4 offline calcing, and I saw that the op.lists are very outdated... So, (I'm using the calc by cyberdog and hollowman 1.2 (pathfixed version) ) I started to rewrite the whole list based on the PLMN of the 3310 6.07...

So, Mike, if you're making a NFREE version, please amke that the op.list is written in this format:

Country code+Network Code=Network Name;Country Name

ex.

20601=Belgacom Mobile Proximus;Belgium
20610=Mobistar;Belgium
20620=BASE;Belgium
20801=SFR;France(I think....)
20802=........

I will post the updated list tonight on the forum.

BOEBOE.

[bobl]

Boeboe mate, I think the Nfree version has been stopped due to problems with coding :(

If you're good at programming in any language, it'd be great if you want to do it, if you are gonna do it in VB, slikmik could give you his partial code :)

Cheers

Bob

[BOEBOE]

Hi,

No, I will only update the op.list, but I planned it to early...

[slikmik]

well im pants at programming really but will continue in me spare time :)

c where i get up to :p

regards all
mike

[slikmik]

hokey dokey peeps all sorted this is an EARLY beta version
does what its supposed to but MAY have bugs in it and need updating plus needs an updated operator box also which BOEBOE is helping me with

Just thrown it together its simple to use

You will need VB6 runtimes if you dont have them
Im not attaching them just do a google search :p

Ok i'll leave you lot to suggest things for it to be the best shell around :)

Obviously i shall incorporate a code save function or other cool stuff in the future

Cheers
Mike

[chunkhead]

@Slik Mik:

It just stops responding when I click on calculate!? Any idea's? I don't get any errors!:(

[dr.bizar]

Hi all I also cooked up a calc shell - PLZ try it

I borrowed slikmiks operator list.

I would be happy to change the interface to a nfree shell

Plz repport any bugs
I also appreciate if you would tell me if you think any features is missing - BTW like you interface SLIKMIK

rename from .rar.zip to .rar

@slikmik - i'm also exp. the same err. as mentioned.

Cheers

[chunkhead]

@ Dr. Bixar:

I get a run time 75 error when I calculate! Something to o with Path\File access!? But it gives me the code in text format!?

@ Slik Mik

I have now noticed that your shell does likewise, the code is in a seperate TXT file?;) :(

[bobl]

Okay downloaded both of these :)

@slikmik

Works fine 99% of the time :) Otherwise:

After generating, code.txt is generated, but then the shell crashes...lol! It almost works :D

@dr.bizar

This works 100% for me (I don't actually know if the codes are correct, I assume they are correct)

I think you should make your EMEI box max 15 digits long :)

And could you rename EMEI to IMEI? It'd make the lives of newbies a lot less confusing :D!

Great work guys :D

Bob

[slikmik]

:rolleyes: Mmmmmm well sinse as my program aint working fully im going to spend some time tonight and revamp it all and hopefully it'll be all hunky dorey by tomorrow

Thanks to all who tested it

Regards
Mike :cool:

[slikmik]

Ok new version

Still in beta stages but now shouldnt crash on opening for the first time

Still have a "tiny" problem where sometimes when you "click" on the calculate button it doesnt do anything you have to click a couple of times :confused:

Please have a small test folks

Regards
Mike

[wwanthony]

Hi Slik,
it looks pretty snazzy but as you said, sometimes you have to click calculate a couple of times.
I've also noticed when the program has just started, if you leave it on "other", it calculates the code for type 5.

[slikmik]

Sack it im bored of it now :rolleyes:

heres the source if anybody wants to play

please give credit (not to me really but to jozso for making all this possible)

Oh and keep it open source so we can all contribute n swap and change etc

Sorry if me codes crap (told you before im no programmer!) :p

Regards
Mike

[NokDoc]

Hi,

>> Sack it im bored of it now

Come on Mike...

I always liked Ur enthousiasm.

How can we motivate U?

NokDoc

[bobl]

How can we motivate U?

I think sexual favours...but I ain't offering :P

:) Mike are you really giving up? If you absolutely are, why not help dr.bizar with the final touches?

(Is dr.bizar still updating --> Nfree's calculator?)

Is anybody gonna release a final NFree version? :)

Cheers

Bob

[BOEBOE]

Hi,

Finished the operators list of the calc.

But only the 900/1800 MHZ networks, since the 3310 only supports those...

So, can anyone tell me the latest updated DCT3 flash, that has 1900MHZ support?

Anyway, use it with DCT4 Calc by CYBERDOG and HOLLOWMAN.

Cheers,

BOEBOE

Here's the link: http://nokiafree.org/forums/t35663/s.html

[pico]

hi, i spent the day working on a shell for the calc in asm..
only uses editboxes for input all data, dunno if i will change that soon..
source will be online maybe tomorrow if i can update my page :)

btw boeboe, new virgin uk code is missing in your list..
23400

[BOEBOE]

OK, fixed now!

Thank you

OK,

So, I downloaded your program and it gave me this error

yaDCT4calc.exe has generated errors en has been closed by Windows. You will have to start this program again.

I'm using Windows 2K with SP2 (Dutch version)

Keep it up!

[pico]

i suppose you put it all in one folder..
probably my code is not portable, i'm only learning and work with win98..
will look into it, thanks for feedback:cool:

[BOEBOE]

Yes,

I thought that was the problem too.

So, I unzipped the 2 progs, and putted them in 1 folder.

Maybe you should ask Cyberdog and Hollowman about their source code.

Their new 1.4 version is only 1 Exe!

Newbie's could get confused about that,

I'll try to contact them.

EDIT: Contacted him and linked him with this page.

[pico]

dark lemmings shell was only one .exe the other day.
someone with xp is helping me debug, i think its is sorted already, just waiting on reply..

[pico]

bug fixed
note it aint anything special..

[BOEBOE]

Yes,

Now working perfect!

Post updated list tomorrow...

[dr.bizar]

Hi all I played around some more :)

Here's my new design.

[dr.bizar]

Here's the design with an installer

Download (http://blight.dk/nokia/down/nfreeDCT4_setup.zip)

[Nanda]

Your zip didn't work... :(

[dr.bizar]

witch one ???

I uploaded the installer to my own page should be OK now

[Nanda]

The one w/ installer.

[pico]

here my final build i think..
little motivation on this now:)
you find it smallest/fastest shell;)
br

[slikmik]

Pico absolutely love it :D

tiny n fast - wahey for asm

vb6 kinda sux but hey its popular and easy

When/where is the source code? Would be a help to lotsa folk

Cheers
Mike

[pico]

i'll put it on my page in the next few days, i would like to learn comboBoxes first so it can be a complete source..
if you would like this builds, mail me [email protected] and i can send..
my source is a little messy though :o

if you dont know any asm, best look at the icezelion tutorials firsthere (http://www.nokia-unlocking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/resource)
this program uses just: message box, simple window, create process and pipes chapters(you can pretty much drag the example sources and use them) :)

btw;dr bizar, your program crashes on my computer:(
runtime error 75, path/file error..
win98- all vb runtime files..
looks very nice!

[bobl]

Sweet, asm coding :)

Is this gonna be Nfree skinned? :)

Also, are you gonna impose limits on text boxes? 15 numeric characters?

Or just leave it as it is :)

Cheers

Bob

[pico]

for sure, i dont know what i'll do with it :)
its really just the project i'm learning with, but making a nice gui with asm is very tricky..
i tried to put a .bmp on there today (the space in rottom is perfect) but theres some problem with it..:(

[pico]

ok,
i tried to make some decent nFree design but like i say it is difficult in asm language (no just edit properties with mouse button.. :()
as far as i got is image below, click it to download source code as promiised :) best read the tutorials above if you want to understand that..
hope someone can make it good..
br
http://www.nokia-unlocking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/nfreecalc.jpg (http://www.nokia-unlocking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/nFree.zip)

can any developer mail me back edited sources please? [email protected]

[Unique]

:rolleyes: Where is the fun in all this..... we call this recycling s/w....

Take the algo out of the dos s/w and add it to your c/c++/vb s/w.

It is not that hard... It is a hell of alot easier than dongle bashing.

John

[bobl]

I would describe it as "Making the lives of those uncomfortable in the DOS console easier"

And programing it in ASM is pretty difficult ;).

Unique, no body is claiming to have done the code part, it is clear that these are just GUIs, but GUIs make life easier.

P.S. Are you ever gonna PM me the details I asked for :D? It's been like 2 months :D

[pico]

Originally posted by Unique
:rolleyes: Where is the fun in all this..... we call this recycling s/w....
Take the algo out of the dos s/w and add it to your c/c++/vb s/w.
It is not that hard... It is a hell of alot easier than dongle bashing.
John

the fun, for me, was making a program in my newest language..
we call this "shell" not "recycle", look into GrEeNs flasher shell, Dark lemmings flasher.. not "recycled", just mans projects..

did you try extract the algo? i did look to try that but thought "why bother"? when i can make the gui and just pipe it (not pick thorugh 0xA473 lines of code)..
you just want the algo eh??;) :D well go try that yourself..
who you think has done that?
other shells, have just hidden the original file.. not removed it from your system. try look in windows/system for some new .dll..

who talked on dongle bashing?
bring your project on the table..
or learn/practice something useful for future projects..

[Unique]

you just want the algo eh?? well go try that yourself..

Pico....... Dont act stupid....

@Bobl

What details:confused:

Please PM me again... I've forgot. Sorry:(

John

[pico]

dont put here, not to do what we have been doing..
and say do something, that YOU want..
constructive critisism yes, but not piss on the projects of others.

[Unique]

Originally posted by pico
dont put here, not to do what we have been doing..
and say do something, that YOU want..
constructive critisism yes, but not piss on the projects of others.

http://www.uniquesw.com/dl.php?9

[Insert funny sarcastic comment here]

@pico - sorry about pissing on you. :D

John

[Kontact]

wow! true window calc.

regards,

[pico]

so you went away and did some work..
but will you upload your source (as others did)..
if not, then it is just "showing off" really, since you made this "recycled" software not for helping learn..
just to try piss on others.

good work, but share source??

[dr.bizar]

I like slikmik must throw the towel...

If any one what to take a look at the nfrre DCT4 calc source Here you go.

Real simple 30->40 lines of code

[Al]

Originally posted by pico
so you went away and did some work..
but will you upload your source (as others did)..
if not, then it is just "showing off" really, since you made this "recycled" software not for helping learn..
just to try piss on others.

good work, but share source??

...asking for sources is like asking for someones wife to f**k ...

...use your right hand instead...

-------> Cut here <-------

void CalcCode( BYTE *OriginalIMEI, BYTE *NetworkCode, BYTE type, BYTE pos, BYTE* CalcedCode )
{
BYTE XorEncodedIMEI[ 8 ],
DestIMEI[ 8 ],
tmpCalcedCode[ 10 ];
BYTE delta[] = { 0x03, 0x02, 0x08, 0x01, 0x09 },
masknum[] = { 5, 1, 6, 3, 7 };
BYTE **IMEImask;
DWORD j;

OriginalIMEI[ 7 ] = 0;
if( type == 2 )
IMEImask = asic2IMEIMask;
else
IMEImask = asic5IMEIMask;

XorIMEI( XorEncodedIMEI, OriginalIMEI, IMEImask[ 0 ] );
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
Calc_1( DestIMEI, XorEncodedIMEI );

for( j = 0; j < 5; j++ )
{
CalcedCode[ j + 3 ] = DestIMEI[ masknum[ j ] ] & 0x77;
tmpCalcedCode[ j ] = (( CalcedCode[ j + 3 ] >> 4 ) & 0x0F ) - delta[ j ];
if( (char)tmpCalcedCode[ j ] < 0 )
tmpCalcedCode[ j ] += 0x0A;
}

CalcedCode[ 0 ] = tmpCalcedCode[ 0 ];
CalcedCode[ 1 ] = (( tmpCalcedCode[ 1 ] << 4 ) & 0xF0 ) | tmpCalcedCode[ 2 ];
CalcedCode[ 2 ] = (( tmpCalcedCode[ 3 ] << 4 ) & 0xF0 ) | tmpCalcedCode[ 4 ];
}

-------> Cut here <-------

...make something usefull by yourself...

...bye...

[pico]

wb Al,
did your vacation go well, or you just didnt resist this one log in?
:D

[Unique]

@Al...

Good to see you posting again...

@pico

for the source.. first prove that it wont be wasted on you.

There is one reason why you want my code.. that is to rip out the algo. Where is the learning in that.... its Ctrl + C. Thats called stealing. I know UniqueSW doesnt own the algo... but they still had to research and code it.

You want to stick this algo in your s/w and use it under your name, you most likely wont even credit us in your s/w. That is WRONG! I know Nfree is about sharing... but I dont see that as fair. Unless you can tell me I am wrong and that you will use this algo for new technology... then i may start to think about it.

Until then... NO!

Now back to the topic...

John

[GeeZuZz]

I'll tell you people what's stupid:

Creating a shell for the original DCT4NCK by jozso, and don't even give credits to the guy!

There are tons of calculators out now, but all (except uniqueSW's) use "DCT4NCK by jozso", and i have yet to see one with credits to jozso. Many of them have even edited the original exe, and just changed "DCT4NCK by jozso" to "DCT4NCK by <myname>"

That just so stupid.

If i was Unique, I would never given the source away - at least not within the next months.

Why?

The day after he release it, there will be tons of calculators, and noone will even know who made the calculator, or gave the source away.

So if I had the source, i would release the exe, wait until it was spread around, so everyone had it, and knew that it was original. Than I would release the source because now everybody would know who the original belongs to.


Respect to UniqueSW (http://www.uniquesw.com) and jozso! ;)

Cyberdog, Hollowman and others: :evil:

[pico]

unique, really i dont want the algo- just wondered if you would give source..
someone asked my code (to help learn they say), so i gave.
you did not post any good help in this topic, only putting down others.. spirit of the forum?

as for geezuzz;
man, can you look again.. at all softwares?

unique gives no credits to gezuzz..
only my shell has not edited the original dct4calc.exe (well i edited it back from by.. cyberdog, to ..by jozso). and i thank him in "about".
all others give no thanks to original man.

phuck this thread anyway, who cares now..

[bobl]

@Unique, I am still waiting for the stuff I PMed you about, you checked your box mate?

@Al, Are you here or not :D, I know we never met but you're a legend ;) (Do you really exist?:D)

@dr.bizar, why did you throw in the towel mate :)?

@GeeZuZz, I really agree mate, how hard is it to credit someone, how easy is it to take credit yourself :(. Sickening really.

I think I'm done here, I didn't realise how many people would post in this thread, though a shame to see so many *flaming* words exchanged.

Maybe we should stop posting with such ferocity?. Take it easy all...I'm not really sure which one post?, link to UniqueSW (With credit of course), post Pico's/Dr Bizar's GUIs?

Someone please help finish this thread?

Cheers all

Bob

[GeeZuZz]

Pico, I'm sorry, I meant most of them don't even credit jozso.

Don't feel that my post was aimed at you, cause it was not! I've not tested your shell - so if you credited jozso in your calc the :evil: was not for you at all...


Back to topic :p : I think you should use uniqueSW's calculator, because it is more userfriendly, and its original work - not a rip-off.

[Nanda]

Unique's is a great software, and tidier than Dr.Bizar's (great too!) in terms of installation.

However I did enjoy the whole NFREE look!

Post both. ;)

[pico]

nice link to uniquesoftware up there btw..
you see, some people are into making money..
not help others..

[Nanda]

Ok, enough flame wars here...

[Unique]

Originally posted by pico
nice link to uniquesoftware up there btw..
you see, some people are into making money..
not help others..

Hosting... $80 p/m
Domain Reg... $75
Design costs... $30
New Logo... $15

Income from UniqueSW.... $0

Looks like you my friend.... have a problem.

UniqueSW is non-profit, for example free dct4 codes online for the past 2/3 months.:mad: :mad:

If you want to continue this... do it via PM. I feel bad making you look a fool in front of all these members:(

UniqueSW makes nothing. Please stop flaming and trying to annoy me and others.



as for geezuzz;
man, can you look again.. at all softwares?

unique gives no credits to gezuzz..


GeeZuZz doesnt make s/w.:confused:

I give up... i'm lost.

John

[pico]

credit to geezuzz was ment to say jozso
if you are lost, start again from the top..

:)

[GeeZuZz]

I didn't understand that last part there either.

But i suggest someone close this topic. It's just flaming, and completely off-topic... :D

Edit: Oh, people posts too fast here now...

Pico:

Why should UniqueSW credit jozso? They made their own program, without the help of jozso. Its not a shell. Maybe there is a misunderstanding here...

[pico]

you should not ask me other questions :D :)

phuck this thread anyway, who cares now..
it was still jozso' work, if you include his app- or just steal the algo from his software..

what got me was..

You want to stick this algo in your s/w and use it under your name
am i developer? do i make comercial soft? no
have i released source for any soft i did make? do i credit original author? yes
i try to learn/help.. not get "name" for "business" ask you that..

[Nanda]

I was about to say this but GeeZuZz was faster: someone please close this thread...

Nothing to do with Bob (his idea for thread was good and well-meaning) but the thread has gone off topic and out of hand!

[Unique]

Pico... contact me on PM.

John

[GeeZuZz]

Originally posted by pico
[B]you should not ask me other questions :D :)

it was still jozso' work, if you include his app- or just steal the algo from his software..


OMG.

Lets say Nokia made the first mobile phone.

Do you mean Sony ericsson, Siemens etc. have to credit Nokia because they also made a mobil phone, but they didn't make it first?

UniqueSW made that program without jozso's help. I don't think they need to credit him, just because he made a program with the same function before them.

[pico]

sony, made new phone. they developed it, not just copy it..
i think, you dont know exactly how unique made that..

[GeeZuZz]

Originally posted by pico
sony, made new phone. they developed it, not just copy it..
i think, you dont know exactly how unique made that..

I suggest you do as Unique said in his last post. You obviously do not understand this...

[pico]

hello geezuzz, yes i did contact him- same time you were making "sony stealed nokia phone" post..

please, sssssh!

[pico]

just for record, flaming started here:

WBR to all :)


Originally posted by Unique
:rolleyes: Where is the fun in all this..... we call this recycling s/w....

Take the algo out of the dos s/w and add it to your c/c++/vb s/w.

It is not that hard... It is a hell of alot easier than dongle bashing.

John

[NokDoc]

HOLD, TIME OUT!

Is this grown up people?

Thread will be closed if U show Us U aren't.

NokDoc

[bobl]

Wow, people listen to a Moderator and not me, how suprising (!)

I did ask for an end to the flaming and I did ask for a final answer.

I've made up my mind to post a link to UniqueSW and post Pico's and Dr Bizars. Three calcs is choice. I'll write up the guides.

Now I hope this will mean a locked thread.

Cheers

Bob

[Kontact]

i agree... :o :o :o

regards

[Alinus]

OK.