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longbow
27-08-2002, 11:00 AM
I had build my own SIM_SCAN with Dejan`s schematics. It works fine but with only type of SIM card. I tried with others SIMs but the prog. sim_scan doesnīt perceive others, it percieve only one type of SIM card.

I can read this type of SIM card:http://qube.skps.net/users/akavrecic/private/Halo.gif
(I had scenned it-;)

And I canīt read this type of SIM card:http://qube.skps.net/users/akavrecic/private/Vega.gif


You see that those cards are different. The first one has a simple composition of contacts. But the second one has a complicated composition of contacts. Maybe this is a problem...I have a SIM conector from one Nokia 3310.

Help me!

excuse for my english.

KnOeFz
27-08-2002, 01:51 PM
contacts are always the same... the lines look a litlle different but the contacts have to be on same places according to iso norms. Look carefully and you'll see it also has 8 contacts.

Maybe it's a newer card that doesn't use comp128 (v1) algorithm. In that case you won't be able to clone it.

-=K=-

longbow
27-08-2002, 05:36 PM
I think that you donīt understood me! I hadnīt try to find Ki and imsi from the card! I used Cardinal reader to see the SIMīs Phone book,..etc. I donīt try to find Ki from the card but just to read it. I could read the Phone book only with the first SIM. With others SIMs like the second one (see picture) I have problems. Why!?
every SIM must let you to read it...not for the Ki but for the Phone book,...etc!! ?

Help!

excuse my english!

KnOeFz
27-08-2002, 07:30 PM
I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about cloning ('cause this is cloning forum after al ;) )

I don't know what's wrong with your sim. I tried a non comp128 sim and normal simediting functions are available.

-=K=-

longbow
27-08-2002, 07:55 PM
And what conector for SIM do you have? Do you have the same PCB as I have?-SIM_SCAN of Dejan Kaljevic

Thanks for answers

KnOeFz
27-08-2002, 09:27 PM
I don't use dejan's scheme...
I have a vp20 prgrammer.
It looks like this:

http://www.willem.org/vp2as

-=K=-

longbow
28-08-2002, 01:06 PM
This vp20 works fine? Itīs better than the SIM_Scan of Dejan? Can you write with this one?
Can you use this vp20 with program SIM_Scan v1.33? and can you write with it?

Thanks!

KnOeFz
28-08-2002, 01:28 PM
Yes it works fine. Also with simscan 1.33
Dunno if it's better that dejan's scheme (never build dejans schematic)... but I use mine also to program eeproms for clips, psx mod chips etc.

I write my cards with it to using IcProg.

-=K=-

longbow
28-08-2002, 01:56 PM
How much does it cost?-the vp20?
Do you have a scheme so I can build it?


Where are you from?

KnOeFz
28-08-2002, 02:16 PM
I bought only pcb and build it myself. pcb was about 7 euro. Buying it built would be around 35 euro's I think.
I'm from Holland.... but it sais that below my name on the left, doesn't it ;)

I have a link for the pcb to make it yourself. The site is in Turkish I think (I can't read it) but the pictures speak for itself.

vp20 (http://cyberguy.l33t.ca/vp20.htm)

-=K=-

longbow
28-08-2002, 04:09 PM
Fine! I will build it. But I have a few questions.
-On the PCB there are two "cristals" one is 3.57Mhz and one is 6Mhz. With wich frequency do you work with SIM_SCAN 1.33-- with 3.57 or 6!?
-Are there any instructions for this device because I donīt know what are the importance of the swich and this two jumpers. What they do?

Thanks!!!KnOeFz

excuse my english

KnOeFz
28-08-2002, 04:27 PM
simscan works with both 3.57 and 6.00 mhz.
IcProg only seems to like 3.57 for me.

The 3 jumpers (not 2!) are used to switch between programming atmel and pic processors.

The switch is a nasty one... I don't know what kinda switch it is... I had a hard time finding one and ended up buying it from the guy I bought the pcb from.

Also check this (http://www.geocities.com/serkan_sahin2002/VP20.zip) for a complete package :)

-=K=-

longbow
28-08-2002, 05:27 PM
This device works only with 12v adapter?-is it true?

KnOeFz
28-08-2002, 05:44 PM
Yep, a non stabalised 12 v adapter does the trick.

My desciption sais (I translated to english) :

15...18 Volt unstabalised DC("12 Volt adapter"),200 mA.
Also suitable for 12 Volt AC adapter

Here's a list of supported devices you might be interested in:
PicMicro(TM):
16(L)C84, 16(L)F83/84/84A, 16(L)F873/874/876/877
16(L)C620/620A/621/621A/622/622A/641/642/661/662, 16CE623/624/625 ,16F628
16(L)C554/554A/556/556A/558/558A
12(L)C508/508A/509/509A/671/672, 12CE518/519/673/674

I2C Serial EEPROM:
24C(LC,AA)00/01/21/21A/02/024/025/04/08/16/164/174/32/32A/64/65/128/256
24(L)CS21/21A/52, 85C72/82/92

Microwire(R) Serial EEPROM:
93C06, 93(L)C46/46A/46B/56/56A/56B/66/66A/66B/76/86 93(L)CS56/66

AVR & MegaAVR:
AT90(L)S1200/2313/2323/2333/2343/4414/4433/4434/8515/8535, AT90C8534
ATmega603(L)/103(L), ATtiny10/11/12/22(L,V)



-=K=-

longbow
28-08-2002, 06:05 PM
Thanks really!!!

So when I will build my own PCB I will program a DCT-3 clip with 12cd673 PIC!! yeah!!! Iīm happy!

OK I have still only one problem.
-How can I know what position of this three jumpers is correct? And what position is for this, and this and this,.....thing?

please explain!

Thanks again!

excuse my english

KnOeFz
28-08-2002, 06:28 PM
I will try to translate some important parts of manual tomorrow or over the weekend about how to apply setting ok?

Let me know how everything works out.

ps. what pic you wanna use for dct3 clip? I only know about 12c672/12CE674 and 16f628... If you have different hex and schematics pls share :D

Oh, and you're also able to program pic for dejan box with this... so you can use windls and 105 flasher... :)

-=K=-

longbow
28-08-2002, 07:23 PM
hehe... it is a 12CE674 PIC no 12CD674:D

OK I will wait for your instructions!-but not 1 month:)

100000x Thanks KnOeFz!!


excuse my english

KnOeFz
29-08-2002, 03:59 PM
No problem with your english man... can read it just fine :D

There wasn't really a manual (thought there was one) so I try to make a brief desciption

3 jumpers

the jumper located near the crystals (or is resonators the english word?) is to choose between 3.57 and 6.00 mhz. This should be obvious to figure out.

the there's 2 more jumpers... these make the choise between programming pic or atmel processors... jumpers set toward the smardcard connector is for pic processors, jumpers towards rs232 connector is for atmel processors.

The large switch is used to switch metween phoenix mode (for programming eeprom on smartcards) and Ludi mode. Up is phoenix mode, down is ludi mode.

To program single pics you need an adapter or solder and extra ic connector to the board. Note that there's a switch inside the smartcard connector that probably also need to be switched if you choose to make an extra ic connector instead of an adapter. I scanned the adaptor I have so maybe you can make your own. (see attachment)

24cxxx DIL eeprom can be inserted in the 8 pins ic connectoir already on the schematic. DON'T put 12c508's or 12c672 in there! They need the adapter I mentioned above!

I gues this is about it. Some experimenting wil make things clearer to you :D

-=K=-

KnOeFz
29-08-2002, 07:05 PM
forgot attachment :)

-=K=-

longbow
30-08-2002, 09:20 AM
Thank you for your description. I īm now waiting for the PCB. My friend is building it for me for 8 Euros. I think that I will get it tomorrow or monday. Then I will go to search for components:cool:.
By the way Iīm from Slovenia. Do you know where it is?

KnOeFz
30-08-2002, 01:16 PM
OK. I think 8 euro's is a good price :)
I'm thinking of buying some equipment to make pcb's myself maybe. Depends on how much it's gonna cost.

Slovenia is south of Austria next to Italy right?? Former Yugoslavia?

-=K=-

longbow
30-08-2002, 01:56 PM
Yes! you are right about where Slovenia is.

longbow
04-09-2002, 01:51 PM
I get the PCB right now! Itīs beautiful. Now I will search for components. I hope that I will find that MODE SWICH:confused: !

KnOeFz
04-09-2002, 06:37 PM
Nice :)

Goodluck :)

-=K=-

Manipulator
07-09-2002, 05:59 AM
i have see the vp20.it is simple.i can build the vp20 without pcb.
any one has re-draw the schematic for vp20.i can't find schematic for vp20.later i will re-draw the schematic from what i see on the pcb picture.:rolleyes:

KnOeFz
07-09-2002, 07:42 AM
@Manipulator:

That would be nice work!
pls post it in the forum when you have it :D

-=K=-

longbow
08-09-2002, 02:06 PM
I found All of the components that I need! I get this "MODE SWITCH" in Italy.
But there are two problems.

What is that element called "10HM" itīs like a resistor. But I think it is only a wire without resistance. :confused:

...And what is this element behind 12v conector? It has 3pin-s and above it is a sign that I canīt read. It is "12v Reguele......." What is this element?

I have all of the other elements on the PCB but without the LEDs because I donīt know where is + and where is -. I will measure the contacts later when I will test it.

One question: In what position must be this MODE SWITCH and these 3 jumpers when I want to use Sim_Scan 1.33?

Thanks KnOeFz!!

KnOeFz
08-09-2002, 09:06 PM
ok... nice work man :D


about your questions:
1 ohm is like nothing so you can just put a wire there... no problem.

the black 3 legged component is a voltage regulator L7812 wich should be easy to find I think.

About the leds... they sometimes have a "flat" edge wich is usualy -

For simscan you can set the 2 jumpers to pic mode, 1 jumper on 6 mhz (3.57 does also work but is slower... (make sure the software is also configured to 3.57 or 6 mhz)) and the switch should point up (this is phoenix mode).

-=K=-

longbow
11-09-2002, 01:51 PM
It donīt work without the external 12v? Because I donīt have a 12v adapter.
If I connect it with a 12v voltage from PCīs MOLEX it will work?
MOLEX: you know a kind of conector that is connected on hard disks, cd-roms,.... (in PC)

I hope you will understand.

thanks!

KnOeFz
11-09-2002, 05:28 PM
You need external 12 v... I don't know about using pc's 12 volts... I think it's stabalised but not sure... you can sure try... but a 12v adapter is cheap... I think I payed about 5 euro for mine.... they can't be that hard to find I think.
How is your building project coming along? Close to finishing it yet?


-=K=-

longbow
11-09-2002, 06:27 PM
Yes I already finished it.

OK I will buy this 12v adapter. Then I will test it during the weekend because I donīt have time right now.

longbow
13-09-2002, 08:28 PM
I get this 12v adapter. I connected my vp20 to PC COM port and I also connected this 12v external voltage. Two LEDs in front of this MODE SWICH works, red works when I put the Swich up and the green one when the swich is down. There are also two leds. Red led works always but the green one donīt works or works sometimes.

I tried to read a SIM card with Sim_Scan v1.33 but it doesnīīt work. It said "fatal error: bad data......" and I also tried to read phone book with cardinal reader v6.8 and it said "Bad ATR!"

Where is the problem?! and whay this green led doesnīt works always?!


Thanks.

KnOeFz
15-09-2002, 07:55 PM
sorry, I don't know...

-=K=-

longbow
16-09-2002, 11:53 AM
But your green LED is working all the time? or not?!

I will try to change the wire to 1ohm resistor and maybe other thinks...:confused:

KnOeFz
16-09-2002, 07:07 PM
My schematic is slightly different from the one you built... there's only 2 leds on mine... one indicates power (green led) and is always on... on (red) is only on when reading or writing.

1 or 0 ohm makes no difference... both work here.

-=K=-

fadi79
26-09-2002, 12:33 AM
Hi all, I'm still a beginner in sim cloning.

I have a ProPic2 Programmer, also I have the schematics for Dejan SimScan, SmartMouse/Phoenix. I can build them very easily..

Do I need more hardware to be ready for sim cloning?
If yes, please post links to schematics, and also links for recommended software..

Thanks in advance...

Manipulator
22-11-2002, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by longbow
I get this 12v adapter. I connected my vp20 to PC COM port and I also connected this 12v external voltage. Two LEDs in front of this MODE SWICH works, red works when I put the Swich up and the green one when the swich is down. There are also two leds. Red led works always but the green one donīt works or works sometimes.

I tried to read a SIM card with Sim_Scan v1.33 but it doesnīīt work. It said "fatal error: bad data......" and I also tried to read phone book with cardinal reader v6.8 and it said "Bad ATR!"

Where is the problem?! and whay this green led doesnīt works always?!


Thanks.

is your vp20 working now,how you fix it.
if your pcb is same like i attach one.i also having the same problem with the pcb.
the solve it,i cut/broken the circuit for the card detect. the problem for me is at there.
i your problem is not there than we need some discuss on this.i help you to solve your probelm,and you help me to find out my problem.
i think the pcb have some probel,if not the pcb than is the transistor i use is wrong connect or i should use 548B not 548C,or 558B not 558C.

longbow
01-12-2002, 09:35 PM
Yes I made the vp20 like you. The scheme is the same. I still have problems. I didnĻt have the time for fix it. I will try tomorrow. I think that my adaptor is not enought strong (12v 300mA) I will try with batteries and maybe on another computer.

I can read only one sim card and not others. I think that this is very strange. I wish that we˝ll fix the problem in a short time. :rolleyes:

longbow
02-12-2002, 03:54 PM
Manipulator: I think that you solved the problem on your vp20. Didn't you? And please tell me how. My problem is that my vp20 detect only one sim card for reading Ki and IMSI (with others SIMs I get "bad ATR") :confused:. I can program and read with Icprog every SIM card.

Manipulator
03-12-2002, 02:53 AM
Originally posted by longbow
Manipulator: I think that you solved the problem on your vp20. Didn't you? And please tell me how. My problem is that my vp20 detect only one sim card for reading Ki and IMSI (with others SIMs I get "bad ATR") :confused:. I can program and read with Icprog every SIM card.

yes,i sloved my problen completly.
my problem is only the smartcard connector is wrong type,it should use a connector with card detect close when no card is insert.
i use BC548C and BC558C transistor.

you mean you can only read a simcard,but not other.:confused: what program you use.
how can you program/read a simcard using ICprog.do you mean you program silvercard.
you can read the simcard in any mode(PIC/AVR/Phoniex)because the setting for reading the simcard is only on the long switch.
if you can't read the simcard when the switch is up,then it should be down.(is about that lah,i forget already,hehe)
try it first.

tempe
03-12-2002, 04:07 AM
@Manipulator
Where can I get the sim card connector... Is there anywhere at Jalan Pasar?

Manipulator
03-12-2002, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by tempe
@Manipulator
Where can I get the sim card connector... Is there anywhere at Jalan Pasar?

i can't find it from jalan pasar.my friend sell it to me at RM25.i don't know where he get from.if you want i can help you to ask him.
the connector card detect is open when no card is insert.

tempe
03-12-2002, 04:24 AM
@Manipulator,

Thanks for your prompt reply... I will let you know once I need one... I'm still busy playing with my new combi flasher... Next project will be Dejan's simscan reader or VP20...

longbow
03-12-2002, 01:56 PM
Manipulator: Yes I can program and read the silver card with ICprog v1.05 and sure vp20 set to Ludi mode. Then I set the cp20 into mouse mode and when I try just to explore the phone book of any card with Cardinal reader v6.8 I get "bad ATR"?. But If I try with an anther Sim it works perfectly. So the problem is that I can read only one SIM card and when I try other SIM card I get "bad ATR"!?-why!? I tried with 10 different SIMs but only one works. !?!?

please help!:(

Manipulator
06-12-2002, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by longbow
Manipulator: Yes I can program and read the silver card with ICprog v1.05 and sure vp20 set to Ludi mode. Then I set the cp20 into mouse mode and when I try just to explore the phone book of any card with Cardinal reader v6.8 I get "bad ATR"?. But If I try with an anther Sim it works perfectly. So the problem is that I can read only one SIM card and when I try other SIM card I get "bad ATR"!?-why!? I tried with 10 different SIMs but only one works. !?!?

please help!:(

so funny one.
do you mean that after you program the silver card you use the cardinal to read it.but you only can read a silvercard as simcard using cardinal.but not other silvercard as simcard.
or you mean that you can only read a real simcard using vp20,but not other real simcard.

@KnOeFz- can you give him some help.

KnOeFz
06-12-2002, 06:38 PM
Sorry man, I have no clue ...


-=K=-

longbow
07-12-2002, 09:34 PM
hehe...no you didn`t understand. I can program and read any silver card with IcProg but I canīt read any normal simcard with Cardinal v6.8 Till now I can read only one "normal sim card" and when I try other sim cards I get Bad ATR. ----I only tried to explore the bookmark but I canīt with most of the normal sim-cards.c why? p.s. See my first post. My problems is the same like before with dejan simREADER.