format prob

[fragmeister]

Hi everyone,I'm new to this forum and the N-Gage.I've had my Gage for about a week and did a stupid thing.Firstly I bought a 128mb card and stuffed it full of tunes.No probs,but then I decided to format and used Win xp fat 32 by mistake.My question is obviously the pc wont recognize my gage but if I purchase a mmc reader and reformat the card to fat will it work or will I need a new card?Hope someone can help cause I just bought the bloody card today!!I only formatted in windows as the gage was connected at the time and I thought it would be quicker.Cheers folks. :sad:

[tzeonn]

does the ngage still detect the mmc in the fone? go to memory app on fone to see, if it does, format it using the ngage again, juz in case.

[fragmeister]

does the ngage still detect the mmc in the fone? go to memory app on fone to see, if it does, format it using the ngage again, juz in case.

cheers m8,yeah the phone detects the mmc but the pc wont detect the gage unless i change to another mmc.I have formatted using the gage about 4 times and still the pc wont detect the gage!! :evil:

[N Gage Owner]

I GOT THE SAME PROBLEM.....my old phone used to detect it thru the usb but then it broke and i had to return it now the new one i got doesnt work even my old memory dint after i reformated it then i just bought another nokia mmc card 64mb and it wont read itha HELP HERE PLZ
(im leaven for a trip in 4 days and want to play n gage wid a fren)

Best Regards

[sirpaul1]

I had this problem with a 512mb card, no matter what i used to format the card the phone would never be detected by the PC. Now I've sent the card back and got a new one that is detected. Often with larger memroy cards they will never be detected by the PC again.

[N Gage Owner]

well hears the wierd thing i heard about that, and since i did i figured i wont get anything bigger than a 256mb but right now i only have a 64mb and a 128mb card and the 128 workd on my old n gage (refurbished) then that phone broke and i sent it back to get a new (refurbished) phone and now after i formatd the cards with the new phone my pc wont read either cards and the 64mb is a brand new nokia one.....help me please im leaven for vacation in 5 days....

[reficul_x]

maybe its a dumb response here....

maybe ur mmc reader is broken? sometimes, my pc wun detect the card too due to my reader prob.

[tzeonn]

u could get a replacement.

i had tt prob with my mmc too, ngage can detect, but not with usb cable, mmc card readers, etc.

or try formatting in another device like digicam 1st, then format in phone again.

[cokecan722]

ya know, this could be a problem with the firmware on the n-gage??

(havnt got an n-gage here so just guessing), i mean there has to be something working or executing or something with the software on the N-Gage that lets the comp see it when its connected via USB, right?

maybe theres something wrong with this certain part of the firmware, that when you format your MMC with fat32 it does something to the OS of the n-gage that makes it say "i cant seen shit"

anyone think im onto something or just talkin crap :)

[N Gage Owner]

u might be on to sumn i hope u r im gana try sendn bak again they give you a new one if u just walk right up to them.

[a_dude]

Geez how many times do we have to explain it to u dudes....

u gotta format the mmc as fat16 then ur pc will recognise it...

cheers ;)

[sirpaul1]

I don't know what it is, but no matter what way you format the card the ngage will detect the card but once the pc don't detect it, it never comes back.

[tzeonn]

Geez how many times do we have to explain it to u dudes....

u gotta format the mmc as fat16 then ur pc will recognise it...

cheers ;)

how do u do that?

i used to have a mmc which cannot be detected in mmc card reader, ngage usb, only in the phone can it be detected. :-(

[a_dude]

several ways...one is thru DOS and FDISK...hence the DOS USB Drivers I Found...(although I wouldnt use FDISK yet) as I havent tested it with this DOS Driver to OK it....

Make a boot disk with win98/me or another DOS flavour...stick on it Ranish Partition Manager (freeware) and boot with that and the ngage plugged in via USB.

U can use a partition manager like 'Ranish partiton Manager'...search it on google...Press 'F5' to change Hard Disk to MMC (make sure u dont Fat16 your PCs C Drive!!! and destroy all the data in the process!!)

Delete all partitions off the mmc first (cause obviously these partitons r crap) and r making ur mmc useless...

Make a Fat16 partition by pressing 'INS'....and select fat16.....this creates a Fat16 partiton...

now...try the USB...and see it work ;)

cheers ;)

[cokecan722]

but what makes this any different from formatting it with the n-gage it self???

when the n-gage formats it, it formats it with FAT16 right??? and as tzeonn has said, the PC still wont recognise it

[a_dude]

read it slowly....the ngage DOES NOT create a FAT16...and everyone that formats it with the ngage says it CANT be read in the PC...

DOS makes a perfectly good Fat16 that can be recognised in ur PC!

geez theres some dense ppl around....Im giving u an easy solution to fix a major problem....

DOS can see the MMC card even when Windows cant?!?! thats why it can succeed in formatting it as a fat16 where windows cannot!

put simply, this is a sure fire way to fix a mmc prob without having to use any other hardware!

geez...

[cokecan722]

well i've just done a little test. i formatted my 16mb mmc card i got with my 3650 with an NTFS file system, check it and definatly was NTFS. put it in the phone, the phone moaned that the mmc was corrupt and prompted me to format it. so i did and then took it out and put it back in my computer only to find that the file system was now FAT16.

as the n-gage and 3650 are pretty much the same phone im gonna assume that the n-gage would do the same thing.

so after this little test, i still dont see what difference there would be by formatting it with dos?

and try havin a bit of patients with people just because they dont do exactly what you say and for thinkin about other options and other ways of doing it, ok?

[shad0w]

ya know, this could be a problem with the firmware on the n-gage??

(havnt got an n-gage here so just guessing), i mean there has to be something working or executing or something with the software on the N-Gage that lets the comp see it when its connected via USB, right?

maybe theres something wrong with this certain part of the firmware, that when you format your MMC with fat32 it does something to the OS of the n-gage that makes it say "i cant seen shit"

anyone think im onto something or just talkin crap :)

a little out of topic, but what is the latest FW of n-gage?

[a_dude]

geeez....when the hell did u bring the 3650 into this!?!?! wtf r u bringing that phone into it for? this topic is about the ngage and DOS drivers....

listen kids.....keep posting useless posts....just goes to show the useless ppl around and why no one can do any more reverse engineering round ere....

cheers ;)

[tzeonn]

yes dude sounds v harsh, but he has a good point

and just wondering, 7610 connects via pop port right, can it be like ngage with dos drivers too? :lol: :lol:

if u had come out with this help earlier, i wouldnt have sold my mmc with 128 mb, if i could save that "spoiled" mmc with my ngage :sad:

[a_dude]

no the pop port uses a different protocol so it wont work, but what will work with those DOS drivers are practically any card reader on the market....

so it doubles up as a card-reader DOS driver (which is what it really is)

cheers ;)

ps..for those interested, the Ngage uses the TI (Texas Instruments USB Interface) chipset....

[cokecan722]

i brought 3650 into this because thats what i have, and as this and the n-gage have the same os on them one tends to think "Hmmm, when formatting in one, it should do exactly the same in the other"

oh and btw, this post isnt about dos drivers. you brought that into it as a way to try and fix the mmc not being recognised by the PC, ok?

im just tryin to work out how its any different from formatting it with the actual phone

[a_dude]

the difference is, DOS sees the MMC as a card reader does...therefore by doing a FDISK or using a DOS partition manager and selecting the 2nd hard disk (or 3rd etc) will always find an MMC as a hard disk whether its readable or not...and since it always finds it, then its easy to just create a fat16 partition and watch how windows recognises it afterwards...

therefore you dont need a card reader to fix the formatting prob...as the ngage behaves as one when using the DOS drivers....

beleive me, I have fixed over a dozen mmc cards, mine, friends etc...and they r all still working!

cheers ;)

[sirpaul1]

Has anybody else tried this yet, cause it could save alot of people a lot of time, no need to post cards back anymore or sell them to digicam ppl. :)

[cokecan722]

the difference is, DOS sees the MMC as a card reader does...therefore by doing a FDISK or using a DOS partition manager and selecting the 2nd hard disk (or 3rd etc) will always find an MMC as a hard disk whether its readable or not...and since it always finds it, then its easy to just create a fat16 partition and watch how windows recognises it afterwards...

therefore you dont need a card reader to fix the formatting prob...as the ngage behaves as one when using the DOS drivers....

beleive me, I have fixed over a dozen mmc cards, mine, friends etc...and they r all still working!

cheers ;)

ok, thanks for clearin that up dude :), thats all i wanted to know without all the "geez theres some dense ppl around" etc

:)

[N Gage Owner]

Heres my sullution to comp. not reading the mmc first try different methods like w/e you have avalible bluetooth, reader/writer, usb, ect. and if they dont work then do what i did....what i did was well my crap dint work i tryd all that and more and i was about an inche close to sendin it back to the store AGAIN (for the 3rd time) to have them give me a new phone hopen its format might work beta but when i was out shopping i saw a different mmc card reader/writer and disided to try it out, i hookd it up and IT WORKD, now i was really happy but still have no idea why it workd wen nothing else did i still dont know why but i thought id share with you what worked for me. :)

Best regards,
N Gage Owner