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benjers
27-03-2004, 09:54 PM
Hi everyone.

I'm a coder behind SkyForce. Now since the game is cracked I can share a few thoughts about cracking it.

While implementing this protection I was pretty sure it will be cracked in 3 days. Keeping it protected for over 40 days was kinda nice suprise. I'd say that this kind of protection would take no more than 3 days to be cracked on the PC scene. This gives you all a picture of how skilled Symbian cracking scene is and how other apps are protected...

SkyForce was our first game for Symbian and it was sort of experimental. Coding it took us a lot of time but protecting it was a just one day work.

Its really funny to read all of those comments about cracking SkyForce on the forum. Some of the hints were kinda useful, like BT remote bruteforce method. You can be sure this will be disabled :) Also discussion about how to create keygen from some legal codes and IMEIs was quite funny.

To bosley: how many times did you play the first level before you cracked it?

To all kids around: Saying "wow, this game rox!" is very nice, but adding "where can I download full version for free?" is not. You surely want to have more cool games for your phone, but this way won't help it at all...

later,
Benji.

Iceman5
27-03-2004, 10:08 PM
i dont belive u... but it doesnt matter anyways.

version 1.1 of skyforce already fixed the bruteforce method didnt it? it exits if u type the code wrong for a few times.

if ur really from infinte dreams then dont worry... im sure the crackers will crack ur new rally game too! :-P

v7e6j5
27-03-2004, 10:19 PM
If this guy is from Infinte Dreams, why is he so calm & cool about the game being cracked. Others would have been raising HELL about it. Benjers or Benji something is just not kosher, but hey who cares wheather it take 40 minutes, hours, days or months. It was bound 2b cracked sooner or later.

DoomAngel
27-03-2004, 10:22 PM
yeah but he is kinda right guys. crackin games with no players buyni them is gonna kill all these great companies.
we should all feel ashamed coz if nobody buys games, nobody will make them

benjers
27-03-2004, 10:44 PM
Iceman5, v7e6j5:
Its not my intention to prove that I am from Infinite Dreams, but if you dont believe it I can generate a code for your IMEIs that will work with SkyForce. As far as I know there is no keygen out, so that would be a prove. And you are probably already playing cracked version so...

Iceman5:
"if ur really from infinte dreams then dont worry... im sure the crackers will crack ur new rally game too!"
I dont worry about that. Every app can be cracked. Well, maybe except of the one that won't ever be released due to low profits...


Doomangel:
thanks for sharing my point.

Thanks to everyone from this forum that purchased SkyForce! (I know there are some!)

Benji.

hylandz
27-03-2004, 11:39 PM
doomangel its on your site!! if you dont believe in cracked games remove it

tester72
28-03-2004, 02:46 AM
hmm . agree.. every app or games will be cracked.. jus a matter of time.. if it can be programmed.. so it can be reversed... he doesnt need to be angry even its cracked,, if i was him.. i'll be very happy.. seeing such a long thread about skyforce on almost every symbian forum! wat a great achievement! seriously. no game has such a long thread b4! why do ppl mention? only the game is nice , so the ppl would tok about it. if its not nice... even if its cracked.. no one would try. im sure alot of ppl bought tis game.. its really nice.. how i wish every game programmer puts in so much effort like tis game.. im sure it will change the mindset of ppl into buying it...
and i mean the NOKIA MMC games... seems like they were rushing into making the games. i hope the rally from infinite will come out soon!

iNF|NiTY
28-03-2004, 03:47 AM
Bos and most good people always said buy it anyway.

iNF|NiTY
28-03-2004, 03:54 AM
Btw....SkyForce.v1.1.CRACKED.SymbianOS-RVGPDA

Iceman5
28-03-2004, 01:54 PM
yeah the game is really worth buying! but as sed before (u might have seen my post about that) i no longer buy games with creditcard that goes directly to my phone.... well thats nokias fault

i belive u now... i was just beeing sceptic coz any1 can reg and pretend to be IF. i already have the game, but just for the coolness of it, could u generate my code? lol :-P

IMEI: 351525008577646

iNF|NiTY
28-03-2004, 02:38 PM
Its not a keygen....

nabsy123
28-03-2004, 02:38 PM
one guys code is enough.. we dont want people to line up now to say please generate code for me and stuff.. grow up..!!! as for benji..yeah i believe it really is u! just beat ur highest score in the game..'twas 100000 or sumthing..also when's karnaaj rally cumin out? looks awesum..cant wait to BUY it!

tzeonn
28-03-2004, 05:57 PM
well, i tink infinite dreams alreadi knew their games (or rather, skyforce in particular) will b cracked, so they kinda tried delaying the crackers, and in the meantime, ppl who cant wait buys them. smart i'd say.

Wouwz
28-03-2004, 06:51 PM
Ye, but i also heard stories about crackers intentially w8ted to crack it. Just to get people buying it... Well it worked (bought it myself) and i hope Infinite Dreams got enough money to make a whole new line of games...

And for Benji if u are really the guy from ID i'd like to congrat u on the makeing such a though protection!
Do use another script with Karnaaj or the'll have it cracked in no time :)

iNF|NiTY
28-03-2004, 07:00 PM
That is true...it was left for a while to see if any other groups would do it.

momagic
28-03-2004, 08:58 PM
i aint been on the net for 3 days now, and jus came on today, BLOODY HELL a lots happened, i vow not to miss a day of nettime anymore. now im gona play skyforce ATLAST!!!!


thanks to whomever cracked it!!!

tzeonn
29-03-2004, 12:11 AM
erm, juz wondering, y idreams wun make skyforce a bt multiplayer game?

benjers
29-03-2004, 12:31 AM
Iceman5: your code is 20905. You can tell everybody if its working or not. BTW if you pay with your credit card on handango/symbos you receive your code automatically. Theres no risk that the code will not be delivered.

tester72: seeing discussions about SkyForce on all forums was obviosly very nice for us. But seeing it cracked wasn't... I hope you are able to understand that point.

tzeonn: of course we knew SkyForce will be cracked, as everything on this planet can be cracked. However we never contacted anyone from crackscene to delay cracking our game. If there was an intentional delay it wasnt coming from us.

momagic: obviously you know, there was a way to play it much earlier...
"thanks to whomever cracked it!!!" - yes, thats great sentence. Why wouldnt you say thanks to whomever made SkyForce. There surely is a slight difference.

Benji.

benjers
29-03-2004, 12:48 AM
I just realized that the keygen was also released. Anyway Iceman5, check the code that was generated by the warez keygen and mine... Surely you can come by yourself to conclusion.

Benji

Wouwz
29-03-2004, 01:05 AM
Offcourse we all are eternally gratefull (at least i am) to the U and the rest of ur team. U guys have set a new milestone in the S60 games scene, if u just look the whole fuzz about this game, u'd notice that it's more that unique. Even N-Gage games don't get these amounts of posts/views/attention!



momagic: obviously you know, there was a way to play it much earlier...
"thanks to whomever cracked it!!!" - yes, thats great sentence. Why wouldnt you say thanks to whomever made SkyForce. There surely is a slight difference.
Please do not pay attion to this kinda people, they don't have a clue what they are talking about!


And a little tip for the next game, try to come around the whole Credit Card shit, i got one myself but alot of people have to use their parents or don't have one... I've heard so much people comlaining about this that i'd bet that u'd probebly sold alot more copys if it was through SMS or PaidCall....

Well THNX again and keep up the programming

momagic
29-03-2004, 04:16 PM
Offcourse we all are eternally gratefull (at least i am) to the U and the rest of ur team. U guys have set a new milestone in the S60 games scene, if u just look the whole fuzz about this game, u'd notice that it's more that unique. Even N-Gage games don't get these amounts of posts/views/attention!


Please do not pay attion to this kinda people, they don't have a clue what they are talking about!


And a little tip for the next game, try to come around the whole Credit Card shit, i got one myself but alot of people have to use their parents or don't have one... I've heard so much people comlaining about this that i'd bet that u'd probebly sold alot more copys if it was through SMS or PaidCall....

Well THNX again and keep up the programming

first off, the guys at idreams are top blokes, i thank you so much for the game, it jus passed my mind to thank you, i am sowie!! wouwz im upset what u said about me, but the truth hurts a? it is true, i have no idea of wat im talkin about! and finally i must say, idream guys are top geezers and respect is due!

iNF|NiTY
29-03-2004, 05:42 PM
Your an idiot for saying "thanks to whomever cracked it!!!", thats what they mean. The coder is here and you are saying how great it is to get it for free....nice one dumbass :/

Wouwz
29-03-2004, 06:26 PM
Your an idiot for saying "thanks to whomever cracked it!!!", thats what they mean. The coder is here and you are saying how great it is to get it for free....nice one dumbass :/

Yep smart move there, really inspiring...

DoomAngel
29-03-2004, 07:12 PM
yeah in a way crackers are not really very bad. Im sure bos made us wait long enough so that some of us would buy the game. I myself did buy it although i had the cracked version. I think that these cracked games should be used more as a preview than as a way to get free games

Dumbo
29-03-2004, 09:55 PM
HI!

May i cry now?

Space monkey
29-03-2004, 11:58 PM
yeah in a way crackers are not really very bad. Im sure bos made us wait long enough so that some of us would buy the game. I myself did buy it although i had the cracked version. I think that these cracked games should be used more as a preview than as a way to get free games

I totally agree with you here.
And i also think these cracked apps and games force developers to keep the price low, i mean come on $ 24,99 for total IR remote is just way to expensive. If it were like $ 10 i’d buy it regardless if i had the cracked version or not.

evobit
30-03-2004, 02:13 AM
Hi everyone.

I'm a coder behind SkyForce. Now since the game is cracked I can share a few thoughts about cracking it.

Its really funny to read all of those comments about cracking SkyForce on the forum. Some of the hints were kinda useful, like BT remote bruteforce method. You can be sure this will be disabled :) Also discussion about how to create keygen from some legal codes and IMEIs was quite funny.

later,
Benji.

LOL, bet you had a fair chuckle at me then aye :D:D:D If I could buy this game through sms or through my provider (Vodafone NZ) I would have already. If it becomes available I still will.
You guys make top games, full respect to you for that. However I am not rich, I fell into the trap of having a credit card once (and I did buy from handango when I had it) and now I'm in so much debt I won't be clear for a couple of years! So there's no way I'm getting one again = no way to buy the game.

Please see if you can come up with some other way of us buying the game - the same goes to any other coders out there reading this.

nabsy123
30-03-2004, 09:47 AM
is it just me.. or does ur skyforce quit too once u defeat the boss on the 3rd stage.. medium level of difficulty...it just quits to the main screen..no msgs. no nuthin!

aloius
30-03-2004, 10:47 AM
To benjers:

I respected if you are behind the coding.

;)

aloius
30-03-2004, 10:53 AM
To benjers:

I respected if you are behind the coding.

;)

Keygen is out already.

Iceman5
30-03-2004, 04:43 PM
The keygen gave me 42833

Benji gave me 20905

BOTH codes worked....! 0_o anyway that proves he's from ID as he didnt give me the keygen code...

iNF|NiTY
30-03-2004, 06:09 PM
Im guessing an updated algo and protection against the app cracks will be in next version then, heh....

Btw aloius...check your messages :)

momagic
30-03-2004, 07:30 PM
Your an idiot for saying "thanks to whomever cracked it!!!", thats what they mean. The coder is here and you are saying how great it is to get it for free....nice one dumbass :/

DOH!!! if i had a hammer i would bang it on my head!!! and to benji, im sowie once again, im sowie,im sowie,im sowie,im sowie,im sowie, :sad:

14344
31-03-2004, 04:27 AM
very true.............if only these kind of games can be purchased thru our network provider which is the only easyway other than the credit card thingy..........................keep in mind that not all people use credit cards for some variuos reasons...................and that is y unfairness rules...............and crackers emerges!


:smile: :) :-?

chaos77
05-04-2004, 05:49 PM
benjers


SkyForce cracking...

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Hi everyone.

I'm a coder behind SkyForce. Now since the game is cracked I can share a few thoughts about cracking it.


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SkyForce was our first game for Symbian and it was sort of experimental. Coding it took us a lot of time but protecting it was a just one day work



:) you know something i dont like games ..... but this game is great

good work

but we all know that the game has been cracked


http://trackerwww.prq.to/torrents-details.php?id=3211957


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benjers


I'm a coder behind SkyForce.


prove it

imei : 352079000994093

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and one Q plz

all we know this game support many devices


6600 . 7650 . 3660 . 3650 . ngage

and also support siemens sx1


can you tell us if the game will support sendo x and samsung D700 !!!

if you are really from Infinite Dreams :smile:

BizzyRok
05-04-2004, 07:03 PM
read the posts he proved it to Iceman5

iNF|NiTY
05-04-2004, 09:27 PM
Probably some idiot trying to get it unlocked for free :/

chaos77
05-04-2004, 11:52 PM
:lol: iNF|NiTY

hey kid keep silence

your big brother and dad talking ;)


kids i allready have the game skyforce 1.1 :lol:

so plz dont reply to me



:lol:

topperfr
06-04-2004, 12:41 AM
thank you for the information

mattyrobins
12-11-2004, 04:08 PM
I have skyforce for my 6600 and it is supposed to ba a cracked version but it keeps asking for an access code. Is there a proper hacked version or what?

:-? :-? :-?

Neophyte88
12-11-2004, 09:42 PM
quite a few actually, use IRC ffs

gophermaster
13-11-2004, 06:28 AM
Wow, talk about reviving old threads...

v7e6j5
13-11-2004, 07:35 AM
Shouldn't this thread have been closed by now. It's old like mole. :lol:

GeeZuZz
13-11-2004, 07:57 PM
benjers:

Nice to hear the developers opinions about cracking... :)

If i were you, i would remove the registration code system, and in sted store IMEI of all registered customer on a authorisation server. Than, in the game you implent a function in the game that connects to the server and check if the IMEI is registered (everybody have internet on the phone these days).

It would probably be annoying if you needed to connect to internet everytime you started the game, so maybe only every 5 times you connect, the game needed to be validated.

Just an idea :P

Btw, remember that most of the people who download the hacked copy (or keygen) wouldn't buy it anyway. I admit that i often download warez, but it is mostly about testing. There are very few games and applications i actually use...


Edit: Crap, all the writing, and it turns out that this thread was old, and benjers will probably never read my post :x :P

Neophyte88
14-11-2004, 05:38 AM
then try emailing him ,ill buy it anyways :rolleyes:

a_dude
14-11-2004, 05:43 AM
out of curiosity, how much units of skyforce was sold and how much money did you make on that game since it was released...

I know this information is private but an idea about how much money u guys generate from one 'good' game might indicate to the others how much moeny u actually DO make from these releases...

cheers ;)

dj^^
15-11-2004, 09:59 AM
benjers:

Nice to hear the developers opinions about cracking... :)

If i were you, i would remove the registration code system, and in sted store IMEI of all registered customer on a authorisation server. Than, in the game you implent a function in the game that connects to the server and check if the IMEI is registered (everybody have internet on the phone these days).

It would probably be annoying if you needed to connect to internet everytime you started the game, so maybe only every 5 times you connect, the game needed to be validated.

Just an idea :P

Btw, remember that most of the people who download the hacked copy (or keygen) wouldn't buy it anyway. I admit that i often download warez, but it is mostly about testing. There are very few games and applications i actually use...


Edit: Crap, all the writing, and it turns out that this thread was old, and benjers will probably never read my post :x :P


yup...i agree of wat he said....i have just been to the handgo webbie...saw this photo editor....as i already got lots of these editor S/w ....and i really need one that it was good...and the photo editor listed out so good....it even hold a comparison with fx and another one....but in the end...when i tried out the c#@!# versionn....nahhh...it wasn't that good as it was show...as we know that sometimes demo version....got only limited to a few functions