7650 With 128mb of memory

[The Engineer]

Well As im sure most of you all Know, whats the worst thing about the nokia 7650?? ok ill tell you its the fact that the main memory is only 4mb well 3.6mb really plus 400kb for temp so that means that everytime we want to install something new we have to delete everything to fit on this new fully featured app or game etc! well nokias new 3650 running the same symbian 60 os will have the functionality of installing mmc cards! up to 128mb in size. but how nice would it be to have this same sort of features on out 7650 that we love so much!, well ive been thinking any ive got an idea i just need to know how many of you agree with me, ok heres the idea, basically its a small sepeerate device maybe keyring sized thats can be remote from you nokia say max 30 feet away and will act as a seperat storage space of anything up to 128mb what do you all think. p.s its bluetooth linked incase you didnt get that!, also will code a nice app to go with it for browsing the space any suggestions?

[Sackgesicht]

Yeah, we all love ideas for realizing. You mean, to adapt the idea from the BT-Harddisk (very expansive and not on market in few months) to a mobile flash-mem?

I know, that the N3650 has the symbian OS No.
6, too software. Cause the problem is to handle to extendet memory storage, or? Question about question. But we have very good technicans within our forum, please think about this.

For a help, it exists the complete technical guide for the N 7650 with all tech-specs (PDF, 14 MB)

Greetz
Sackgesicht

... I dream for memory....

[schizo]

A bluetooth memory would be the best thing that could be added to our 76. Problem is, i think if they were to invent or build such a device, it would be expensive.

[yankee_2002]

The Bluetooth storage memory is the next generation portable memory, but indeed very expensive. I've heard about this couple of months ago but I don't know if this is already available in the local market.
It is very impressive if we can link this to our N7650, but the limitation is u can only use it within the 10 m BT range.
If I am to make a choice, I would rather vote for the modified N7650 to include a slot for the MMC.

just a thought.

/brgds

[The Engineer]

i agree with you that yes i would rather go with the 7650i. is this gonna actually happen ? and if so how much, i mean we all own nokia 7650 without the mmc interface, the 3650 is dam ugly!, but the beneifts of a bt harddrive is much more space than any tiny little mmc card!, like for example how about toshibas 1.8inch square 5gb drive a microdrive for example, bluetooth is an easy system 2.4ghz freq code hopping with 10m range, i wish it was further too, but for walking around with a 2inch device in your pocket holding up2 5gb of data, thats 1000 mp3s, perfect for mp3 go hey schizo!, or tons off apps,, leave it in your car glovebox, or your desk drawer or anywhere its wireless who cares, build a bt repeater extend the range by x2 60 foot , i personnaly ftp them to my fone back n forth using yftp!!. but im seriously considering building a bt hdd soon! cheapish aswell! no more than a ton!

[yankee_2002]

well, everyone is hoping fpr the n7650i. No official news from nokia, only humors but pretty sure Nokia is considering this big mistake they had on their n7650.
As for the BT harddrive, u said u'll gonna build ur BT harddrive. Do u design and manufacture such tiny but powerful device?
If so, then that would be great...

[The Engineer]

well im hoping to yes, im currently researching such an idea!, ill see how i go with it, would people be interested in such adevice on here how many people are likely to want to pucahse one?

if i have some interest ill go ahead and satrt r&d into one!

[yankee_2002]

Hello,

GO ahead and pursue with that idea. I think everyone is interested on that.
btw, do u own a company or ur working where?

[willumpie.nl]

if an nkia 7650i exists it will only be triple band. or the have to compleetly restyle the 7650 hardware so it isn't a 7650 any more

check this forum (if it works by now)
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/

the idea of external memory allready axists there, theyre were talking about a battery with intergrated BT and memory so you only have to put on another batt. cover

but actualy the 7650 can only make one connection @ the time.
so when you're recieving large files you cant direcly acces the memory.

these are hardware limetations

i one an 7650 my self there isn't even room to store a larger flash chip.

greetz

[ALMOGAVER]

...I would be interested... Although, it should be keyring size in order not to drag one more thing around... (Keys, wallet, mobile...)

[vipervr]

Check out this URL, there's a Bluetooth Hard Disk on display but it's not the size you're looking for... it's like a PDA.

http://www.dynamism.com/hopbit/index.shtml

[nk8]

Originally posted by yankee_2002
well, everyone is hoping fpr the n7650i. No official news from nokia, only humors but pretty sure Nokia is considering this big mistake they had on their n7650.
As for the BT harddrive, u said u'll gonna build ur BT harddrive. Do u design and manufacture such tiny but powerful device?
If so, then that would be great...

i'm sure you mean rumours? as it's not that funny

lol:D

[znnn]

im using 3650 with 128M MMC, but i found out 128M is 2 much for it.

i installed 20 games, 35 applications, 65 pix above, 8 video clips, n some more RM files, all this take up 30M, still got 90M free. n when u install 2 much application n game, phone will always pop-up memory full n close the application.

so i recommend u 2 use 64M. dnt expect 2 much n dnt waste ur money. :-)

if the memory 128M is built-in, maybe it's better.

[Sackgesicht]

Yeah, man, I want to have too much memory for my 7650.

Your problem is a very nice prob - look to our prob (3,6 MB)

Greetz
Sackgesicht

[sick_7650]

if it'd be cheap and small..sure, i'll buy one :D

[ALMOGAVER]

... but as I say, something that big is OUT of the question... As we say in my country (in this case) "the medicine is worst than the desease..."

What we need is something similar to what the Macintosh computers use for some of their programs. A USB memory card plus the BT interface.... (am I explaining myself correctly....? My English is getting rusty, you see......)

[Mercedes]

:)
Hi!
Latest news that I heard was that no 7650 i model will ever come. The reason for not launching a new 7650 i was that it would definetely kill the 3650 markets...
I must admit that this sounds a good reason not to develop it...
I sincerely hope that this will not be Nokia´s point of wiew in this case...
:) :) :)

[w0rf]

Originally posted by znnn
im using 3650 with 128M MMC, but i found out 128M is 2 much for it.

i installed 20 games, 35 applications, 65 pix above, 8 video clips, n some more RM files, all this take up 30M, still got 90M free. n when u install 2 much application n game, phone will always pop-up memory full n close the application.

so i recommend u 2 use 64M. dnt expect 2 much n dnt waste ur money. :-)

if the memory 128M is built-in, maybe it's better.

U can always fill the remaining memory with mp3's no?:)
and..hmm, why does no memory show up, when there is still plenty left?

[Mi35]

@Sackgesicht: Pls tell me the link to the tech. guide of the 7650
thx

[Sackgesicht]

Hi, Mi35,

sorry, I dont know, which guide you mean. But here you will find a detailed list of the memory (Note: Not my article, copied from "Dust" from an another forum):
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There are four different types of memory in Nokia 7650 and five in Nokia 3650:

Disk C: - storage ("disk") memory. 4 MB (about 3,6 MB free for the user). This disk is used for storing user data, files and applications. Disk C: is a Flash disk, which means that it preserves its contents even when the power is off or the battery is removed. This memory cannot be expanded. If you need more storage memory, you can use one of the compression tools like Smart Compress or Space Doubler.

Disk D: (in Nokia 3650 - Disk E - RAM-disk (400 kilobytes). This disk is meant for internal system use. Some applications temporarily store their data on this disk, which makes them work faster (RAM memory is much faster than Flash). It is useless to save any user data on D: because all contents of this disk are lost when you switch the phone off or reboot the system.

Disk Z: - read only Flash memory (16 Megabytes). Contains firmware (operating system). Contents of Z: drive cannot be modified by the user. Firmware upgrade can only be made by authorized service centres using special Flash programming devices and Nokia service software called Phoenix.

Operating memory (RAM) - this memory is for executing installed applications. The size is 4 MB (of which ~3 MB are available). You cannot install anything to this memory and you cannot expand it.

(Nokia 3650 only) Memory card (disk D - 16 MB MMC (Multimedia card). Flash memory for user data and applications. You can use this memory to install more programs, store large files (movies, audio, pictures etc). Can be replaced with any other MMC card - up to 128 MB.
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Greetz
Sackgesicht

Questions? Please ask!

[buchikin]

hmmm, in my 3650, D: is the RAM drive and E: is the MMC drive... just an info.:)

[Mi35]

Thanks a lot Sackgesicht, but i ment the link to the (14mb) tech.guide or location from nokia - or the exact name of this file, is it in ForumNokia or somewhere ?

greetz mi35

[Sackgesicht]

infos (http://www.kickme.to/kkpsycho)

[Mi35]

thx

[Mi35]

Hi to all would have more memory
at my opinion it would be possible to change the flash, i don't know how it looks physicaly and if symbian OS have auto allocate memory (meybe meybe not) - look at 14-nhl2-lg4_a3.pdf page
A-10, you see flash0 and flash1, both connected to the same bus,
you have to change the chip Flash0 to an 64Mbit Type, memadda21 is allredy existance but on the 32Mbit chip not connected and if symbian can autoallocate the memory you have 8Mb.

The other methode is to change the flash0 to an 128Mbit type flash and connect memadda22 to A10 (NC labeled pins), then you have to hope symbian can and do allocate the new memory, if so, then you have 16MB free of "RAM" - thats the theory :-D

greetz mi35

[Mi35]

sorry a little mistake - not flash0 it is the "ROM"
flash 1 is drive C:

greetz mi35

[Sackgesicht]

Hi, Mi35,

much thx for your work with the technican things.

But I - and most users too, I think - understand this technican basicly, but not detailed. But it is not important.

What we all want is only one: More, more mem. (not N3650)

Every software developers releases new, cool games & apps (latest: Nightmare) BUT, BUT nobody can install it with reinstalling existing soft. But this is not practicable. Anybody has a basic stock of "must have" soft and the really free mem is normally (my opinion) less than 1 MB.

Note: Everybody (you?) who can offer a solution for our mem prob is a litle god.

95% of the users are ready for an hardware upgrade, I think.

But for my opinion the mem exchange must be practicable, means:

- 16 MB (ore more) are very well (not for MP3 using, but this is not the first choice for our Mono phone)
- How works the hardware (Mem chip) exchange? Official Nokia agents want support this. I see two possibilities: You (or an another guy) deliver a "package set", including mem-chip and a detailed description for technicans. Every owner must seek for special technican, who is prepared for such
- Or: One people at every country makes the exchange, every owner sent his phone to this - a good idea?
- What is about the patch of Symbian? The new mem must be registered at the OS. This means: Firmware flashing.
- @ all operations: The warranty is away!

A second idea: An external extension. Our first hope, the Bluetooth hard disk, is nothing. 5 Gig are to much and to expansive (600$ - uh). Perhaps you are a technican: Is it able, to connect a compact flash reader via BT to the phone? Or a small Sony mem-stick? Anyway.

BUT I mean, instead of all this misconditons: Every user want it ? more mem.

Greetz
Sackgesicht

***sorry for the incorrect english***

[Mi35]

i dont opened my device at this time - that i cant say to you if it is easy possible to change the flash - of course warranty is gone, but in april/may i have some time to study the 7650 - if there is a way i tell it to you - i want more memory tooooooo

greetz mi35

[buchikin]

unlike znnn, im not satisfied with 128mb MMC.. i almost filled it up! (90 mb already)... i heard theres going to be a realease of the 256mb and even the 1gig. ill guess ill have to wait, but im sure that will be pretty expensive! MUCH MORE!:)

[schizo]

um...
i sorr to say but i read somewhere that the nokia3650 does not support MMCs higher than 128mb...

[buchikin]

o well... should have gotten the P800... hehe!:)

[Mi35]

ok - lets talk more practicable - the mostly chips today in mobile devices have a contact surface at the bottom, looks like this:
______
| ::::::::|
| ::::::::|
| ::::::::|
| ::::::::| botom view
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and are "pressed" to the PCBoard,
if this is done in the 7650 then you have no chance to change it without destroing the pcboard and/or the flash.
______
:| |:
:| |:
:| |:
if the chips look like this or similar to this one above, where the pins are on the sides of the chip - then you can carrefully unsolder and change it (maybe need a microscope :D )
I would need some detail photos of this board or a opened device to tell a little more about.

You second solution via BT is in my opinion not possible - think about the transferrate of BT (~1Mbit), the internal adress/databus
works approx at 52Mhz for the flash and 104 Mhz for the RAM
this is a lot lot lot lot .... more Mbit/s. The "BTFlashmemory" you can only use as a software "Floppydisk" to store your progs on it
and to INSTALL!!! it everywere your are without a pc.
But this is only my opinion, all i'm talk about is theoretical based on tech.specs from Nokia.

Greetz mi35

[The-aNGeL!]

i would really be looking forward to get a bt -hd as soon as its released... but .....ITS SO DAM HUGE!! I aint gona be walking around with a brick in my hand

[Mi35]

i'm very intereting about the result

Greetz mi35

[Mosser]

Mi35,

The memory chip you want to change is a BGA device (ball grid array) and you will need access to a bga rework station preferably with x-ray checking facilities to be able to upgrade the memory,

I can email you a photo of the board if you want this evening (i'm at work at the moment and the picture is on my home pc),

From all of my investigations into the memory upgrade ont he 7650, it ls very likely that the symbiam os6.1 wont see the extra memory even if the extra address lines are connected up because it defaults to a known fixed amount of memory apparently, but the person i spoke to might have been wrong so it could be worth a try, i recon there is about a 30% chance of it working if someone does it, i have been trying to get hold of a blocked or damaged 7650 cheaply to try this upgrade out on, but havent managed to get hold of one yet, and i'm seriously considering getting myself a P800 now anyway as the nokia's treatment of customers is pathetic, they wont help me with any tech info for this upgrade and they wont even tell me if a 7650i is on the way, i am just getting fed up with nokia and it is unlikely i will ever buy one of their phones again, If more people did this then they would have to sit up and take notice of what people want and give they the phones they demand otherwise they would go out of business!! (maybe we should all just boycott nokia phones for a few years and see if they change their minds ?)

[Mi35]

Thx Moser for your excellent explanation, i have nothing to do with pure electronics for approx 5 years, that i dont know the right names of this chips, i only saw it in an old nokiaphone.
Myself i am sw developer on faxmachines, we also have some megs of flash in our devices (such a littlebit bigger - SMD) but with fixed memorymodel. My only hope in auto allocate is because in the 7650 is a external OS, that is used in some other phones, with very different configurations, maybe.
If you have some detailed photo of the 7650, pls send it to my email - thx

greetz mi35

[Mosser]

I can send you the picture of the 7650 mainboard if you want but i will need your email address!!, it isnt in your profile?

[n3o2501]

Pls, if you can, send the board pics also to me. I've taken a look at the Nokia 7650 disassembly video, but it doesn't focus on the board that much, yet it does on just about everything else :}

Anyway, to add my vote to this poll, I would be most prepared to pay for a custom designed solution of any kind - as long as it works, hehe. Just not the 5m brick that costs 600 quid and probably doesn't even work with this phone ;}

Live long and prosper,

n3o

[Mosser]

I need your email address if your want the mainboard picture

[n3o2501]

Sorry, mate - here it is: [email protected]

[Mosser]

Its on its way!, i left it at 300k so that you get all the detail in the picture,

Let me know if you dont get it

[nokall]

Good Project i´m think about this ;)
Mr.Dejan Can help us ;)
www.GsMafia7650.no.sapo.pt
Cool Link this page its from My Brother ;)

[max007007]

i really hope to see good outcome of this project

[Barabba]

Excuse me, may be a no-expert question.

Anyone who think to use the "three pins" over power connector? This seems the only electric way that the phone has to comunicate with world.. is the connection used to flash it??

Is a possibility to menage this serial connection? It could be easy to interface a serial Flash!

Bye!

[Mosser]

The three pins are power only, there is no externally accesible serial interface on the 7650 and it would appear from an 'unofficial' nokia service tech that if the original memory chip is upgraded the phone would become unstable because it is designed to see a fixed amount of memory,

Looks like the memory upgrade solution for the 7650 has come to an end :(

[Barabba]

:(

So, how Nokia official update this phone? By Infrared?
[Excuse me for OT] Anyone can give me a valid link or some info about upgrade to the 4.29? (I'm from Italy). Possibly if there is a tested version, not experimental or unstable..
Listen to people around here update is an easy process.. Isn't it?

Large thanks in advance for rights :cool: :)

[Mosser]

There are 7 or 8 (cant remember now) solder pads that a connector presses against for flashing but you have to take the phone apart quite a bit to get to it and there are some rather fragile ribbon cables that are easily damaged to get to the pads

[Barabba]

Tnx Mosser :)
So you have to open the phone end with a special connector take out the right pads of the PCB?

It seems difficult.. but is there a site or a link with some pictures to how to do this? I'm seriously oriented to do it :D

[Mosser]

This link will show you pictures of how to do it but all the writing is in chinese it looks like!

http://www.greatcn.com/phone/nokia/7650/01/

[C//LiMBa]

anyone's in for a translation? :d

[SFC]

If it were only possible to remove the write/modify protection on Z:...
You could remove the standard Nokia crap (ringtones, picts and stuff, better not mess with apps..) and replace it with your own stuff, leaving the full 3,5 MB for extra stuff (which is still not a lot..)

SFC

[baselsw]

sorry guys i'm maybe a bit late to this thread but if your talking about bluetooth harddisk then why can't someone just create a PC Software that we can use with our Bluetooth Adapters to use our own PC harddisk.. it's a good and a cool thing but it would be one problem?? you can't take your PC everywere you go.. just one of my stupid ideés ;)

cheers

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[tzeonn]

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[j0j0]

oh, tze! i though someone posted here with a solution for our 7650s :cry:

[Hunzol]

same here j0j0, my 7650 is so old now that i feel like taking it apart just for the hell of it hahaha, crossed fingers for 6620/6600i or whatever it will be called if it's released.

[Bergetun]

Maybe a dumb question but are people still using that old brick of a phone ?

Are Nokia really making those old phones ??

[Hunzol]

Yes, some people are old fashioned and have patience to keep their old phone and not buy the newest thing available.

[ompak55]

Why dont you buy a new phone like n7700, N-GAGE,n6600 or 6620. Coz if you try to modified your phone it will cause a lot of money to spend, and beside even you modified your 7650 with mmc slot or something your second prob. is the software to detect your mmc! hehehe. Actually your so called 7650i is the 3650... Your only hope is to pray that nokia will build a new 7650 with mmc support!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :-o :-o :-o :smile: :smile:

[Hunzol]

ompak55: I honestly don't care if there is ever going to be one but it would be nice if there was, the 7700 will be expensive, bulky and ugly, N-Gage is a kiddies toy, no offence to the kiddies on this forum, 6600? well why get that if there is a newer version coming soon(hopefully) in Euro,Asia,Aust. market? Was thinking about the Sendo but i doubt that will be released here and i don't really trust ebay that much.

[theshinobi]

ompak55: I honestly don't care if there is ever going to be one but it would be nice if there was, the 7700 will be expensive, bulky and ugly, N-Gage is a kiddies toy, no offence to the kiddies on this forum, 6600? well why get that if there is a newer version coming soon(hopefully) in Euro,Asia,Aust. market? Was thinking about the Sendo but i doubt that will be released here and i don't really trust ebay that much.

How can you say the N-gage is a kiddies toy? What cause its got no CAMERA? Thats the only fucking difference. also the other difference is $700. Which means if your after Appz, games, movies, internet, email and don't fucking care about taking pictures. Than the Ngage is the cheapest. I have a Nokia7650 I bought it the first day it was released in Australia it was the only picture phone available and I won my Ngage at nokiagame.com, and I reckon the N-gage is 100 times better, except you can't take pictures. Why don't you buy a sonyP900 thats more for you nose in the air type of guys.

BTW I'm still paying off my 7650 which was $1400, 2 months after I bought my mate bought one at the same store for $750.... fucking Telstra contracts and dropping prices in tech.

Please tell me if you guys manage to upgrade the 7650's with mor memory

[Bergetun]

ehhh.. I dont think there is many people over 14 years age that doesnt agree that ngage is and look like a kiddi toy.

I would laugh my ass off If i saw a 25 year old dude go around talking on a Ngage.

The console part of the ngage is a whole other story, its a "Good" console game but then again a Game Boy Adv SP is better and looks heaps better too.

[tzeonn]

oh come on, stick to the topic, not comment on fones u nv used b4. dun comment bout things u nv tried. its ulgy, tts y ngage has earpiece.

[Hunzol]

well it's a washed out thread anyways so who cares, anyways, err what? nose in the air? man the n-gage when you talk to someone you have to hold it like a frisbee and i really don't give a crap if it has a camera or not, that's just a bonus, i'll like my 7650 for the fact that it's a smart phone AND <-- it looks good, maybe a bit big but it doesn't look like a kiddies toy a.k.a GBA.

And as for the price well thats your fault for being inpatient, I got my phone about a year after it was released so for the fact that your paying yours off still is your own fault so deal with it.

p.s Telscum suck!

Have a nice day.
:smile:

[tzeonn]

whoa, im referred to as arrogant, hahaha. :lol:

[Hunzol]

by whom???

[furqan6]

Hello There my Very Dears!
I want some more memory in my Mobile what should i do , plzz tel me and how to utilize the D Drive in nokia 7650 , whenever any data is copied in D Drive of Mobile the file is erased when it is again switched on, what can be done then? and about Z Drive any space in it can be allocated , but plz how?

[furqan6]

well my dear!
my email address is [email protected]

[tzeonn]

Hello There my Very Dears!
I want some more memory in my Mobile what should i do , plzz tel me and how to utilize the D Drive in nokia 7650 , whenever any data is copied in D Drive of Mobile the file is erased when it is again switched on, what can be done then? and about Z Drive any space in it can be allocated , but plz how?

well, nth much u can do, space is v limited on 7650. try using space doubler or other mem compressing app to compress ur stuff, so u get more space.

to see z:, install a file explorer like fexplorer. but u cant do anything bout z:, its where ur firmware is.

[pravdomil]

Hi, can you tell me where can I download this technical guide for N7650?
Thank


Yeah, we all love ideas for realizing. You mean, to adapt the idea from the BT-Harddisk (very expansive and not on market in few months) to a mobile flash-mem?

I know, that the N3650 has the symbian OS No.
6, too software. Cause the problem is to handle to extendet memory storage, or? Question about question. But we have very good technicans within our forum, please think about this.

For a help, it exists the complete technical guide for the N 7650 with all tech-specs (PDF, 14 MB)

Greetz
Sackgesicht

... I dream for memory....