All the confusion on n-gage and 3650.

[samson19]

hi everyone,

I'm here to clear all the confusion of "N-gage/3650"

Well basically, Previously I owned a 7650 and 3650. now i have N-gage.
I agree that 3650 is a great phone but it does have flaws.. i'm going to list out the pros and cons of both phone.

3650:
Pros
- Camera and video capabillity
- Multi-functional
- Support MMC(up to 512MB using a U-tek card)
- Support lots of games/softwares/java etc..
- less Battery consumption conpared to N-gage

Cons
- lack of RAM
- Monotone Sound/MP3
- No FM
- Stupid Button design
- slow

N-gage:
Pros
- Multi-functional
- Support MMC(up to 512MB using a U-tek card)
- 12MB of RAM
- Support Most of 3650/7650 games and softwares
- FM enabled
- Stereo MP3 enabled
- Stereo MP3 Ringtone
- better loudspeaker sound quality
- faster access of programs/games
- Almost all Gameboy ROM playable
- faster Bluetooth connection(to pc/pda/phone)

Cons
- bulky design
- heavy battery consumption (12hrs of FM/ 8hrs of MP3/ 4hrs of single-player gaming/ 2hrs of bluetooth gaming)
- No camera

Okay about the query of "Can 3650 play N-gage game?"

well... I can only say, 3650 could only play N-gage Space Inpact Evo X but unstable(having error sometime). I have tried downloading TR into 3650 but it just hang when "EIDOS" screen came out. I even brought TR MMC and slot it in. But same problem occur. I called up Nokia-Care Centre and asked the Customer Services Officer wheather 3650 could play N-gage games, he told me that although both phone is using the same hardware, symbian os (Except camera and FM etc...), N-gage has more RAM to run the game. and 3650 have only 3mb. that why it can't play N-gage game. even it could, it would that a very much longer time to load, rendering graphics and many stuff... Just like having a Pentium III 1Ghz with 16MB of ram running "Alien Vs Predator2".. it would just hang up.. even having problem when loading the OS.

Conclusion: 3650 could never play N-gage games no matter what. unless there's a upgrade of ram to it.

tzeonn : No send mes, ur email removed.

[websitemad]

"Conclusion: 3650 could never play N-gage games no matter what. unless there's a upgrade of ram to it."

oh yeh?

check out all the people who have got a ripped/cracked version of sonicn to play on their 3650, myself included !

and it's not slow at all, and i can still play videos, take pictures and record videos ha ha !

sorry but u are so wrong.

[Quake3000]

"Conclusion: 3650 could never play N-gage games no matter what. unless there's a upgrade of ram to it."

oh yeh?

check out all the people who have got a ripped/cracked version of sonicn to play on their 3650, myself included !

and it's not slow at all, and i can still play videos, take pictures and record videos ha ha !

sorry but u are so wrong.
hehe lol you take the word right from me
the best things with 3650
1.you can play many n-gage games on the 3650 perfect
2.you can take picture and record movies
3.it are NOT slow it are a pretty fast phone
4.can you play killer virus on n-gage? think not! 3650 oh yeah we can play it
5.watshing movies with not bad quality and in full screen
6.why bother with the fm radio when you can play mp3 and other sound format with 3650 btw if i want fm radio i just get a handsfree with radio
7.bluetooth,ir,mms,
8.many cool apps and games for the 3650
9.and you can even have a 512 mb mmc on it (with firmware 3.16)or higher
10.pretty good display with alot of colors and sharpness

this are 10 good reason to buy a 3650

bad thing about 3650
NOTHING :D

[yuppo]

The deciding factor for me is the ir. True bluetooth is faster, etc but it cant change the channel on my tv. My life would be a nightmare without ir remote since my tv remote is goosed. I also use ir to print photos at my work with their ir enabled printer, it's really quick and easy. Mind you that would bother anyone with an n-gage since it doesn't have a cam.

[yotamotenai]

Have you ever heard problems about n-gage battery?
When I bought it (about 2 weeks ago) it seems to work perfectly: I charge my mobile every 3-4 days.
Since 2 days I have to charge the battery almost every day.
Does Active Desk or any other software cause high consuming?
My english ain't so good... sorry.

[tzeonn]

well, bet sth is running in the back ground, hold the menu button to close any running app.

[yotamotenai]

well, bet sth is running in the back ground, hold the menu button to close any running app.


Just one thing: what "sth" means? :-?
ok, I close any bkg apps (Active Desk), I hope something will change... otherwise I'll bring my phone to a customer service to check if something has happened... :sad:
Anyway Thanx for your support.

[samson19]

Have you ever heard problems about n-gage battery?
When I bought it (about 2 weeks ago) it seems to work perfectly: I charge my mobile every 3-4 days.
Since 2 days I have to charge the battery almost every day.
Does Active Desk or any other software cause high consuming?
My english ain't so good... sorry.


Yotamotenai,

Actually it's not about having active desk "on" that cause heavy comsumption. It's the sound quality with extra bass "on" with the game you are playing that cause heavy battery consumption.

You could just ask nokia, they will tell you that the factor of n-gage.

as they already stated, gaming will only last your battery for about 4 hours, listening to mp3 with extras bass effect will cause your phone to last only 2 hours or so.

The only resort is to get another battery or you could bring your charger around?

and for this guy websitemad,

Originally Posted by websitemad
"Conclusion: 3650 could never play N-gage games no matter what. unless there's a upgrade of ram to it.

oh yeh?

check out all the people who have got a ripped/cracked version of sonicn to play on their 3650, myself included !

and it's not slow at all, and i can still play videos, take pictures and record videos ha ha !

sorry but u are so wrong."


"check out all the people who have got a ripped/cracked version of sonicn to play on their 3650, myself included !"

Mmm... yes, you can play the game but do you need to turn on flight mode for your phone? why do you have to turn on flight mode? because to free the extra amount of ram you will need to run the game! and how many game can your phone play? all?

why can you play sonicn? that because you have that much of ram that allow your phone to run it and remember this, "Sonicn is actually sonic from GBA" it's actually using the same old game engine and it's a 2d platform game. it doesn't require much memory to run. so does it solve your problem?



"and it's not slow at all, and i can still play videos, take pictures and record videos ha ha !"

yes, of cause you could play video and view photo.. i didn't say that it's recording or viewing of pic or clips would slow down.

but remember this, did you play sonicn together opening with recording/playing video and taking/viewing pictures programs?
Not a chance right?

even a pc, let says, a intel 233mhz with 64mb ram would play video but not playing video game at the same time.. you get what i mean? you have to get out of the video program to play game via versa... or your pc would be very slow. For your case, you can't start the application for camera and video if only you quit your game.


Posted by Quake3000
"hehe lol you take the word right from me
the best things with 3650
1.you can play many n-gage games on the 3650 perfect <-- only some
2.you can take picture and record movies <-- that's the function i already stated.
3.it are NOT slow it are a pretty fast phone <-- true
4.can you play killer virus on n-gage? think not! 3650 oh yeah we can play it <-- i could get a handsfree camera too to play this.
5.watshing movies with not bad quality and in full screen
6.why bother with the fm radio when you can play mp3 and other sound format with 3650 btw if i want fm radio i just get a handsfree with radio<-- true but with lousy quality sound really monotone bass and fuzzy singing. i owned 3650 before.
7.bluetooth,ir,mms, <-- n-gage has those except ir. but what with ir? slow transmittion of files. only useful for remote.
8.many cool apps and games for the 3650 <-- you can also play on n-gage. remember? same hardware they used. nokia care told me.
9.and you can even have a 512 mb mmc on it (with firmware 3.16)or higher <-- n-gage too could use 512mb card. no need of getting an upgrade of firmwares to it. version 3.30 default
10.pretty good display with alot of colors and sharpness <-- that apply to all symbian colour phone.

this are 10 good reason to buy a 3650

bad thing about 3650
NOTHING"

I just want to share what i know and my views here.. not to get into mad dog fights.. you are mature enough to understand this..

[Moonlight]

hi samson19,

so u have try playing N-gage game and playing MP3 at the same time?? will not lack?

anyway i think n-gage only have 3.4 mb of internal mem... may be they use mem from mmc card for ram?

[samson19]

hi samson19,

so u have try playing N-gage game and playing MP3 at the same time?? will not lack?

anyway i think n-gage only have 3.4 mb of internal mem... may be they use mem from mmc card for ram?

No that not what i mean my friend.
i'm trying to prove that with a low ram phone, you can't do many things. and i'm trying to say that 3650 can't do 2 major operation at a time.
i also agree that n-gage can't do it.
it's also a low memory phone just that it can do more things than 3650.
programs will definally lag if 2 major programs are "on" at the same time.

true that n-gage have 3.4mb (almost 3.5) of internal storage. but they don't use the mmc as ram.

If mmc can act like ram(in this case we are talking about symbian phone), people who own 3650 will be overjoy! they could play all games from gbc to n-gage titles! the truth is that, such program ain't out yet. and n-gage has 12mb of ram. 3650 only have 3mb.

hope i answered your question.

[cokecan722]

my 3650 dont need to be in flightm ode to play sonic. after playing a few games of geopod then goin to sonic, it works fine

[cokecan722]

my 3650 dont need to be in flight mode to play sonic. after playing a few games of geopod then goin to sonic, it works fine

[cokecan722]

ooops, sorry for the double post :rolleyes:

[nokialan]

Well, don't wate money on N-gage and 3650

when you can have 6600. Which I have,

Can play all available N-gage games,
10 MB RAM
High battery life,
Camera with videorecorder.

And the size compared to n-gage and 3650!!!!!!

Just like an N-Gage and 3650 in one except smaller.

Dont waste money!!!

[Pou_pee]

I'm currently using N-gage and have tried games on my friend's 6600, true it works but I found it very difficult to control. Not to mentioned many games dun work 100% like sonic_n, pandemonium. Also many released progs ain't compatible with 6600.

In my opinion if you enjoy playing games via your device, I suggest u get an N-gage, or else go for SX1 (since it's s60 +6600's Quality display +N-gage sound quality). But the price where I live is more expensive than 6600.

[mickey3650]

Ngage or 3650 tough choice I must say, that's why I hv both! :D they complement each other actually... ;)

[mickey3650]

Well, don't wate money on N-gage and 3650

when you can have 6600. Which I have,

Can play all available N-gage games,
10 MB RAM
High battery life,
Camera with videorecorder.

And the size compared to n-gage and 3650!!!!!!

Just like an N-Gage and 3650 in one except smaller.

Dont waste money!!!

that's not true.. I hava a friend with a 6600 and really, sorry, but that phone sux!! I'm waiting for 7700.. about 6600 its expensive, too expensive, moust program wont run on that and I think the design kinda sux.. :)

[nokialan]

that's not true.. I hava a friend with a 6600 and really, sorry, but that phone sux!! I'm waiting for 7700.. about 6600 its expensive, too expensive, moust program wont run on that and I think the design kinda sux.. :)


because it has symbian 7.0

[tzeonn]

man, not another ur fone sucks, my fone rules thread.

to each his own. ngage sucks to u, perfect to someone else, its all up to wat the individual wants in a fone.

[McF_182]

True dat. Cant we all just get along.

[leespud]

ive had enough with nokia thats why my new phone is now the SE p900 wat a phone!!! although i still run my n-gage so i can still play with those s60 apps and good old game of tony hawks!!

[ovidiugm]

Hey, I was also tempted by P800 (couldn't afford a P900) because of its bigger (&touch-)screen/more internal memory, but:

- the software ratio Series60/P800 = 5:1, at least. Everywhere I look i find lots of s60 and only a few P800/P900 programs
- Memory Sticks are still much more expensive than MMCs. And you really can't live inside a 16MB MS...

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About memory in 3650/Ngage/6600:

RAM memory is different from internal storage memory. Also different from MMC card. At boot, OS loads in 5MB of RAM, and therefore in my 3650 I can get a maximum of 3MB, which is 8MB (total RAM) minus 5MB (OS).

Storage memory is reported by FExplorer as C-drive, while RAM is shown as 'Free memory'. They certainly are different (up to a point?), because for a 6600 FExplorer will report 10MB of free memory, whilst C-drive has total capacity of 6MB and there was no MMC in the phone.

To support my sayings: run DevMan/MemoryMonitor, go to 'About'. There you'll see the total memory of the phone.

As I saw FExplorer reporting a bit above 10MB free memory on a 6600, I assume that its RAM is 16MB.

I don't know if Ngage has 12MB or 16MB of RAM. If it would have 12MB, there would still be a chance of getting TombRaider to work, but if it has 16MB... :(

The most wierd thing is that your RAM seem to depend on your phone internal storage memory (which is 4MB for 7650/3650, 6MB for 6600). When you have less storage memory free, your free RAM will be lower, ALTHOUGH there shouldn't be a connection between the chips of RAM & storage memory.

A possibility would be that RAM is partially based on storage memory, mostly like a virtual memory is created by Windows.

Please post your opinions about this stuff, but try to support them with FACTS, don't let them be simple opinions... ;)

[CarlosTn1]

The only way to unleash it's full potential is Virtual Memory on the 3650. But for now 3 MB is all we got. Hurry Somebody Get to it. Let's work together. ;)

[Z-Mario]

I've got more than 4mb of ram in my 3650 with appman and system tools :D

[line333]

and u bring up this thread from 2003 to say that :eek:

[2more]

hahahahaha lol