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fabioviola
09-04-2004, 06:29 PM
http://news.gameitalia.net/index.php?temp_view=news.php&viewid=1576

At this link you can find first screens for new N-Gage version! So cool!!

Quake3000
09-04-2004, 10:20 PM
hmmm nice but i miss the most importan thing the cam :rolleyes:

$t€p@n
10-04-2004, 12:04 AM
Let's see leaked 4 pics of N-GAGE 2 at http://ngage.wz.cz

nk_au
10-04-2004, 03:27 AM
I see no pics!!! All I see is some kinda foreign language that isn't English :-x

Pou_pee
10-04-2004, 06:42 AM
Look strange to me

What features are differed from the 1st one?

rrifonas
10-04-2004, 07:47 AM
Try this link: http://ngage.wz.cz/clanky/ngage2_images.htm

These pictures show me very strange... it has a Camera option on the screen, but the phone doesn´t appear to have the camera.

tester72
10-04-2004, 08:02 AM
Try this link: http://ngage.wz.cz/clanky/ngage2_images.htm

These pictures show me very strange... it has a Camera option on the screen, but the phone doesn´t appear to have the camera.

yeah. i discover tis too... a hoax? lolx.....

nk_au
10-04-2004, 08:05 AM
I reckon the pics are fake. Plus, we can just hold on and see if the Nokia N-Gage 2 will be listed in www.nokia.com!

tzeonn
10-04-2004, 08:13 AM
cant really sae its true, or not, but i find tis design nice.

maybe the cam is on the side, u noe, the part u listen to talk on the fone?

nk_au
10-04-2004, 08:16 AM
Yea. I like the design too - looks wicked, especially that blue colour.

But the camera? If you place it on the side, that's a bit impossible ... because you want to see what you're taking a picture of on the screen ... and you have to twist and turn ... ergh ...

The side-talking will hopefully be fixed. And more games, constant incoming games ... and they better be good too! Better be games that are for teens. Puzzle Bobble VS and Puyo Pop was disastrous. The N-Gage isn't for little people, it has a phone for crying out loud! Action, Dramatic, Role-Playing ...

Something like warfare games or somethin ...

nk_au
10-04-2004, 08:17 AM
But why does the phone still say "N-Gage" if its a developed model? You can't have two different models, despite their similarities with the same name!

NiX_
10-04-2004, 08:18 AM
It doesn't like very Nokia to me.

tzeonn
10-04-2004, 08:19 AM
well, they shld call it ngage 2, sounds appropriate to me. maybe ngage is the name for these types of fone, so ngage onli will appear on the fone?

darn, im pissed, if tis fone is true, my ngage is worthless....

tzeonn
10-04-2004, 08:57 AM
wat, its called ngage 1.1?

oh man... nokia is pissing us ngage users off...

but i like the new design. wonder where the cam is, if there is one?

nk_au
10-04-2004, 09:40 AM
This N-Gage business is really really stupid. Why the hell would Nokia spend more money on creating a new N-Gage 2 when the sales might not be as good?

They should create more games, make profit and hopefully raise the popularity of the N-Gage

But I guess that once the damage is done ... its done

NiX_
10-04-2004, 10:03 AM
woops, It doesn't look very Nokia to me.

$t€p@n
10-04-2004, 10:51 AM
it isn't fake, camera is sticked with paper at picture 2 !!!

Nokia want to secret it for public up to release date (probably 14th April 2004).

gophermaster
10-04-2004, 11:46 AM
It looks alright. I wouldn't get rid of my N-Gage to buy it though.

nk_au
10-04-2004, 11:59 AM
True that gophermaster. But it looks darndy nice! Nicer then the 7700. But personally, I still like the 6600. I had some pretty bad experiences at school with the original N-Gage ...

Plus they're betting that I'm getting a new phone within the next two months. Boy, am I going to prove them wrong ... and get the money ... :D

h901
10-04-2004, 02:00 PM
it has got a camera according to the picture, look at the bottom left hand corner where the left soft key writing is it says camera and on the right hand side it says favourites. :) :) :)

h901
10-04-2004, 02:05 PM
hi just found and english versoin of a site showing n-gage 2 and wid writing aswell
http://www.ngagegaming.com/news/news.cgi/article/EplEVkuFEutjIQUjen

hope it helpz :)

gophermaster
10-04-2004, 02:39 PM
I might buy the N-Gage 2 if the price dropped to around $300, but I couldn't be bothered buying it expensive, when Nokia is going to release a new phone a couple of weeks after I buy it.

leespud
10-04-2004, 04:37 PM
i recon this is maybe a prototype of the original n-gage?? or its just a redeisgn/relaunch both run same games?? just diff look/extras?? maybe the original n-gage was a prototype for this one??

Rabitier
10-04-2004, 07:51 PM
or mayb its just a different cover :-P but how can ppl get their eyes on the second n-gage if nokia isn't even sure that they r gonna make one? nxt time i c sum1 from nokia walking around my compound i will ask them and let u know ok?

Zerion
10-04-2004, 09:37 PM
All N-Gage owner should go sign a petition for upgrade at http://www.petitiononline.com/r8cer/petition.html

gophermaster
11-04-2004, 04:49 AM
It's not going to make any difference.

tzeonn
11-04-2004, 05:07 AM
All N-Gage owner should go sign a petition for upgrade at http://www.petitiononline.com/r8cer/petition.html

u shld sign a petition to ask them to release the games instead.

Pou_pee
11-04-2004, 05:49 AM
I don't think N-gage2 is fake now :sad:

check this link:
http://www.smart-mobile.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23716

ps. language is thai, but you can see those pics anyway

tzeonn
11-04-2004, 06:03 AM
erm, wonder when it gets released, but since the pics are out, it might come out soon.

aussie
11-04-2004, 06:36 AM
Lol, the Ngage really had a dip in it's price, good thing i didn't buy it, i reckon the Ngage 2 ought to be good, hope the colour screen goes another level up, perhaps 260,000 colours instead of 65,636. lol
Cheers

Pou_pee
11-04-2004, 06:54 AM
here's link to more pics:
http://www.flashfly.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3950&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

chintooo
11-04-2004, 09:24 AM
HOT STUFF !!! :-o
its so much smaller to the earlier n-gage
it has hot swap mmc slot and the speakers are FINALLY right :lol:
ermm ...... where is the camera :-? ???

nk_au
11-04-2004, 10:12 AM
Smaller? Yes, but its a bit fatter. Anyway, for the camera ... there is a flap on the top of the N-Gage ... flip it out and take a pic.

The colour blue looks really nice! Pity I cant get it, cause one i'm broke and two I have to keep my 6600 until 2006

Hot-swappable MMC ... I knew it was possible! Its even backward compatible with those old N-Gage games (eg Splinter Cell and Sonic)

A good thing about this N-Gage 2, is that when you put your ear on the earpiece ... the ear won't smudge the screen unlike some other phone designs (putting a Screen protector helps). No more side-talking! (Wtf was Nokia thinking in the first one?)

Hunzol
11-04-2004, 01:05 PM
hahah it looks like a bowl to keep peanuts in. :rolleyes:

nibble nobbies nuts before nobbie nibbles yours!

nk_au
11-04-2004, 01:18 PM
I have read new rumours:

No camera (this pic shows N-Gage 2 which is running on a new OS that supports camera)
No mp3 player
No radio
Brighter screen (like 6600, but not better resolution)
Hot Swappable MMCs
When an ngage game is put in it starts right up, no need to go through the menus

Hope that clarifies some things, but it might be wrong.

tzeonn
11-04-2004, 02:23 PM
no radio? oh boy...

and i tink the camera is the small rect above the NGAGE at the back.

still too early to sae bout the specs, lez juz wait and see.

gophermaster
11-04-2004, 03:09 PM
If those rumours are correct, then Nokia are pretty stupid. Why on Earth would they get rid of various key features? These features being the only reason that the N-Gage even had some popularity. (Well the main reason that I bought the N-Gage for anyways.)

Bossworld
11-04-2004, 03:11 PM
no radio? oh boy...

and i tink the camera is the small rect above the NGAGE at the back.

still too early to sae bout the specs, lez juz wait and see.


No that'll be the clip to get into the battery area

boo1985
11-04-2004, 03:16 PM
yeah.. i got the feeling too.. no mp3 player or radio... cos it onli has one jack for sound. the ngage(present) has 2 jacks, one for stereo and another for mike. unless nokia has changed the jack to an extra long one.

haa.. i guess... we shall wait until the phone is officially announced..

gophermaster
11-04-2004, 03:20 PM
Yeah, once it's on the Nokia site, I'll be doing checking it out thoroughly.

Ryanmt
11-04-2004, 03:34 PM
all the new photos show there isnt a camera under that bit of paper.....

nk_au
11-04-2004, 03:41 PM
We'll see if Nokia made another boo-boo in the N-Gage 2 (are they dumbasses or what? they should hire us hey!)

tzeonn
11-04-2004, 04:22 PM
No that'll be the clip to get into the battery area

oh, sorry, im myopic!

and nvmd the 1 jack, i tink a earpiece like HDD-1 works, the one on 8310.

[R]ubow
11-04-2004, 06:37 PM
If my eyes don't play tricks with me... I can only see ONE mmc slot on the so-called N-Gage 2.

But the fact is... one of the pictures shows two games in the phone's screen.Maybe the person might have used the cracked versions in one mmc. But this probably means that Nokia did nothing to combat the cracks in the new N-gage too...

N-gage 2 might be able to play the post-cracked games!

By the way, I don't really fancy this new N-gage, the old one is actually good enough... my opinion that is. And if the rumours of N-gage 2 is lacking of more functions are true, I dare say the old one is indeed better.

Whatever Nokia is doing right now... I don't really know and don't really care, for my faith in this once admired company has declined drastically.

:sad:

Sony_Ericsson
11-04-2004, 07:17 PM
No radio. No mp3. But why shouldnt it be possible to run a 3rd part mp3 player like on 3650? I see no camera, but it has a camera option on the screen. Maybe this protype(?) is running an OS that isn't finished yet.

And the N-gage 2 is cleary backwards compatible with old N-gage games. But will the new games run on the old N-gage?

But it looks pretty damned cool. I fonly it had a camera I would consider buying it.. maybe. :rolleyes:

leespud
12-04-2004, 12:20 AM
this is looking to much like a downgrade!!!! i use my n-gage for more of an mp3 player than a games console, whats that extra weird button all about circled in one of the pics a button with a tick on??? strange,


p.s. the new os looks bollox!!!

Wouwz
12-04-2004, 01:52 AM
If this thing has Radio,Cam & Themes u can count me in!

nk_au
12-04-2004, 02:43 AM
I don't think it does. I have read an article (forgot where) but that Symbian OS is not actually for the N-Gage 2, but it is a protype ... like a testing version. Like running the 6600's Symbian OS on it, that supports camera but the N-Gage 2 doesnt have it. Radio? Its probably dropped according to them. Same with MP3. So true! How can there be two N-Gage games on the MMC? Looks like Nokia gave in ... Not sure about themes. Btw, I don't think the N-Gage will hav a 65k screen because the previous N-Gage games were for 4k, and some aren't "perfect" on a 6600's screen

Quake3000
12-04-2004, 03:54 AM
the sma picture are here >--->> http://www.mobilmania.cz/Bleskovky/AR.asp?ARI=107004 <---<< bit i still think this are fake or a mock up :rolleyes:

Pou_pee
12-04-2004, 05:10 AM
It did state in the review that cracked games can be used and there's no cam or any part that can be linked to one!

Also there's no Radio and MP3, it's a bit heavier than the current version.
This is probably a prototype one, it's given name in BT somethin like "Nokia N-gage ND or Nq" if it didn't have a name changed.

nk_au
12-04-2004, 05:46 AM
The future N-Gages doesn't look so bright to me ...

gophermaster
12-04-2004, 07:35 AM
So Nokia think that they can fix all their problem just by putting on a new case and slapping on a camera?

The first one was a flop, and no doubt the second one will be too.

nk_au
12-04-2004, 08:18 AM
I reckon Nokia is cutting the radio and mp3 because of this:

Nokia wants people to think of the N-Gage 2 as a gaming machine, not a multiple-use toy. As you all know, most people bought the N-Gage because of its features: mp3, radio and phone - not because of the games.

So now Nokia gets rid of radio, mp3 and any camera ideas to enforce the idea that N-Gage 2 is a gaming machine ... in their attempt to cut cost to sell cheaper on the market ... and to create competition against GBA and Nintendo ...

gophermaster
12-04-2004, 08:21 AM
But why would they want to get rid of features? In most cases: "the more features the better". If they wanted the N-Gage 2 to 'own' the GBA, then they would try and slap on as many extras as possible.

nk_au
12-04-2004, 08:24 AM
1. To make the N-Gage 2 cheaper in the market
2. When price is cheaper, may seem more appealing to consumers
3. No radio and mp3 emphasizes that N-Gage 2 is mainly for games or phone usages
4. No camera - N-Gage isn't a multimedia phone, its for gaming
5. Improvements are mainly that "tick" button (shortcut to the N-Gage game on the MMC) and hot-swappable cards, which all emphasize the N-Gage 2's capability at gaming

Pou_pee
12-04-2004, 08:30 AM
I reckon Nokia is cutting the radio and mp3 because of this:

Nokia wants people to think of the N-Gage 2 as a gaming machine, not a multiple-use toy. As you all know, most people bought the N-Gage because of its features: mp3, radio and phone - not because of the games.

So now Nokia gets rid of radio, mp3 and any camera ideas to enforce the idea that N-Gage 2 is a gaming machine ... in their attempt to cut cost to sell cheaper on the market ... and to create competition against GBA and Nintendo ...

Hmm.. that's a very good point you made (never thought of that b4), but wud it really help reduce that much cost by cutting those previously installed fuctions and be competitive?

btw if this's true, I'm more than happy to have my current N-gage :D

gophermaster
12-04-2004, 08:31 AM
If that were the case, then I'd be investing my money in a GBA SP rather than a shit N-Gage 2 that can't even play MP3s.

Iceman5
12-04-2004, 11:42 AM
well at least u dont hold it as a taco anymore xD

nk_au
12-04-2004, 02:09 PM
Very optimistic views Iceman ...

Wouwz
12-04-2004, 02:16 PM
It's all a bit vague here about n-gage2 haveing a cam.

Obviously it says CAMERA on the left shortcut, and that stupid sticker at the back of it, that's where the lense comes...

Wouwz
12-04-2004, 02:27 PM
It's all a bit vague here about n-gage2 haveing a cam.

Obviously it says CAMERA on the left shortcut, and that stupid sticker at the back of it, that's where the lense comes...


Getting confused here, just found THIS PIC (http://www.flashfly.net/forums/files/picture_003_126.jpg) and found out that there is no cam behind the sticker...

Don't tell me that N-Gage 2 has a CAM on the SIDE!!!!!!!

Wouwz
12-04-2004, 02:48 PM
How can there be two N-Gage games on the MMC? Looks like Nokia gave in
THere are 2 MMC slots!


Not sure about themes It does have themes it the got OS 7 remember.



Btw, I don't think the N-Gage will hav a 65k screen because the previous N-Gage games were for 4k, and some aren't "perfect" on a 6600's screen
New phone with 4k screen? Don't think so... Im sure Nokia comes up with a solution

leespud
12-04-2004, 04:50 PM
just been reading as it has no mp3 player it has no usb connectivity!!! this is backed up by there being no sign of it on any of the pictures!!!

Wouwz
12-04-2004, 04:52 PM
is this me or is Nokia losing it?

USB was one of the best features

[R]ubow
12-04-2004, 04:53 PM
Two mmc slots... yeah I saw it too... now the new N-gage does have the upper hand in storage...

Does the thickness means better handling or gripping?

And about the screen... hope Nokia doesn't change it for the the owners of the original N-gage may not be able to play games meant for the new one... unless there's a game segregation between the two models.

Maybe Nokia is compensating the Mp3 and the radio for a better design and screen? What do you all think?

By the way, can the N-gage 2 have Symbian OS 7 when Nokia 6600 alone faced problems handling N-gage games?

Wouwz
12-04-2004, 04:58 PM
ubow']Does the thickness means better handling or gripping?
Ye the thiker the more grip, whe'll see soon enough


ubow']And about the screen... hope Nokia doesn't change it for the the owners of the original N-gage may not be able to play games meant for the new one... unless there's a game segregation between the two models. Screen is of the same size



ubow']Maybe Nokia is compensating the Mp3 and the radio for a better design and screen? What do you all think? I think Nokia is loseing "happy" costumers at this


ubow']By the way, can the N-gage 2 have Symbian OS 7 when Nokia 6600 alone faced problems handling N-gage games? They'll adjust it, take it they aren't that stupid...

gophermaster
13-04-2004, 02:00 AM
If this information is correct... then I really don't know what the hell Nokia are doing. It seems as though they want to create yet another failure of a phone.

nk_au
13-04-2004, 02:28 AM
Nokia N-Gage 2 ain't drawing my attention that's for sure. Neither is 6620, 7610 or 7700. And that's that for me!

PsychiatricHelp
13-04-2004, 02:42 AM
This is why the games have been delayed!
The new games will be released with N-Gage 2

I don't want to wait any longer :evil:

Sony_Ericsson
13-04-2004, 02:45 AM
I was talking with my brother about n-gage 2. He thinks that one will be a flop too. He said something like: "It's madness to try to compete with GBA. It has so many games. And soon PSP will be out too. Besides, the whole idea of combining a gaming device and a cell phone is stupid. Even if it was possible to play Battlefield 1942 on a phone, no one would want to do it. People want simple games on the cell phone, to play one the train and places like that."

Is he right?

nk_au
13-04-2004, 03:21 AM
Basically, yes! Plus the fact that PSP is releasing a new console very soon. N-Gage 2 doesn't have a chance. It represents a splinter faction as a minor gaming industry. They trying to kick-start it, but it wont move.

N-Gage 2 will be more likely to be called the "multiple-use-phone" rather than a "gaming-phone"

PsychiatricHelp
13-04-2004, 04:46 AM
You guys are forgetting that PSP will be about $800 - $1200 Aussie dollars (when has Sony ever sold products cheap?) for about 6 months before it will start to drop in price and the Gameboy Advance is for children. Most teenagers and young adults will only be able to afford a N-Gage and would prefer it over a Gameboy Advance.

mr_marts
13-04-2004, 07:16 AM
ok brace yourselves the nokia asia site has somefhin called the N-GAGE QD in the upcoming models its a dead link i wonder if this is the ngage 2 http://www.nokia-asia.com/nokia/0,,27106,00.html

I myself am waiting for the psp its costly but sony said they are expecting it to last for 10 years if they are right i have always been nintendo user with portables but i think the nintendo ds was a rush job to full in the gap of the psp and the ngage well the first one was a major flop i defiently say the next one will be a dud to nintendo and nokia need to move away from their cartridges but hey thats my opion :D

nk_au
13-04-2004, 07:19 AM
That might explain why ... the N-Gage isn't going to be called N-Gage 2, its going to be called N-Gage QD? Cause in the firmware pic (*#0000#) it says QD somehwere if i recall correctly

tzeonn
13-04-2004, 11:29 AM
ok brace yourselves the nokia asia site has somefhin called the N-GAGE QD in the upcoming models its a dead link i wonder if this is the ngage 2 http://www.nokia-asia.com/nokia/0,,27106,00.html

I myself am waiting for the psp its costly but sony said they are expecting it to last for 10 years if they are right i have always been nintendo user with portables but i think the nintendo ds was a rush job to full in the gap of the psp and the ngage well the first one was a major flop i defiently say the next one will be a dud to nintendo and nokia need to move away from their cartridges but hey thats my opion :D

dun see the ngage QD, maybe they are updating the site or sth.

and nokia's middle name is "disappointing consumers"

Wouwz
13-04-2004, 01:02 PM
Can the PSP make photos,videos?
Can u call with it?
Does it have all the apps on it?
Can we play NES,GB,GBC,CommoDore 64 & mAmE on it?
How much RAM?
Expandable Memory?
Mobile internet?
BT?

As far i know NO.

mr_marts
13-04-2004, 01:40 PM
as far as i know i will say no to the ngage2,espically somefhin made by a company who keeps making dummy models over dummy models, the psp has the capabilities of a phone and camera i'am sure wif wi fi u can access the net and it does have movie player sony totally killed off sega and domintated microsoft and nintendo its going to have an heavy impact on both nokia and nintendo in the portable world i would bet they are rushing there models before sony releases their psp a foolish mistake ie sega rushed the dreamcast forgeting the importance of the dvd rom wif games i'am waiting for sony thats 1 thing for sure

Wouwz
13-04-2004, 01:49 PM
u got me doubting here

[R]ubow
13-04-2004, 02:39 PM
ok brace yourselves the nokia asia site has somefhin called the N-GAGE QD in the upcoming models its a dead link i wonder if this is the ngage 2 http://www.nokia-asia.com/nokia/0,,27106,00.html


In the morning I went to the site, there was a broken link to the so-called N-gage QD, but now, there isn't any link at all!!!

Is it a joke or something? Perhaps the site was hack??? Or was it a sneak-preview before Nokia release it to us?

gophermaster
13-04-2004, 02:45 PM
Hmmm... well it isn't there now.

Barn
13-04-2004, 02:53 PM
In today’s issue of Edge, the future of electronic entertainment industry magazine, is an article confirming the internet images of the next N-Gage. Mark Squires, Nokia UK’s Director of corporate communications, talks about the new N-Gage. ‘The new device concentrates on the gaming side of things, and adds a number of changes’. These include:

Slightly smaller footprint but thicker
65,000 colours rather than 4,096 to improve clarity
No more side talking
Hot-swapping MMC cards

In addition Mark Squires hints that the original ‘contains an MP3 player and a number of other things, like the radio’, where as the new ‘device is a pure gaming experience’. So it looks like the MP3 player and radio are not included.

gophermaster
13-04-2004, 03:01 PM
I don't think that I would be purchasing the N-Gage 2 if it didn't have MP3 playing capabilities.

tzeonn
13-04-2004, 03:19 PM
one big reason i bought ngage is the stereo, mp3 and RADIO!

but still too early to sae, i hope the official product got the radio and mp3 player.

leespud
13-04-2004, 03:25 PM
one thing that confuses me is wasnt the reason splinter cell didnt work on 6600 due to the 65k screen??

Wouwz
13-04-2004, 04:41 PM
No MP3/Radio? Nokia has gone conckers

They'll lose on this one

Wouwz
13-04-2004, 04:49 PM
K read this -- http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15293

tzeonn
13-04-2004, 05:01 PM
wat, tmr???

lez see if its true on nokia.com tmr then.....

Wouwz
13-04-2004, 05:53 PM
dunno what 14th, just saw this so i posted it.

THink 14 may though

Rabitier
13-04-2004, 06:04 PM
no they arn't giving it out yet, they are just presenting it to the world.......

Pou_pee
13-04-2004, 06:44 PM
Thou the 65k screen is nice but I dun think there will be any current N-gagers stupid enough to upgrade theirs

maxice5000
13-04-2004, 07:26 PM
one big reason i bought ngage is the stereo, mp3 and RADIO!

but still too early to sae, i hope the official product got the radio and mp3 player.

same here but N-gage 2 would have stereo, we can just extract and use the MP3 player from our old N-gages hehe, but if the N-gage 2 is realeased i wont buy it, with the lack of new games for the current one its not gonna be worth it, if NG2 is realeased then i'm getting Sony's PDA-Style P900 :) ive been saving

tzeonn
13-04-2004, 07:30 PM
i learned my lesson wif ngage, getting ngage 2 will only b a repeat of history.

i dun wan a gaming device wif no games coming out or kept being delayed!

gambit82
13-04-2004, 08:31 PM
N-gage 2 revealed !!!!!!!!!!!!!go to http://www.ngagegaming.com/news/news.cgi/article/EplElylZppuBPWINBm !!!!i'm not sure,but i will not buy the new model:no mp3 no radio,they just adjust some of the major critics and add a 65000k display....nothing really new respect the original n-gage!post your opinions people!!!!!

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 02:37 AM
Well... considering that it's not even on the Official Nokia site yet, then no doubt that it won't be released in the near future.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 02:41 AM
I'm not liking the N-Gage 2.

PsychiatricHelp
14-04-2004, 02:53 AM
:evil: The link from the Nokia site isn't there, maybe it was a bogus link :sad:

I don't think I would buy the N-Gage 2, I have N-Gage already. The only advantage is you can take the MMC out while its switched on and I bet there will be the problem of apps disappearing so you have to restart anyway. The good thing is the Radio and MP3 buttons have disappeared I'm always accidently pressing those during gameplay *beep* {Connect Headset}

Couldn't I just upgrade my N-Gage software to N-Gage 2 software?

nk_au
14-04-2004, 02:57 AM
Yes, the new N-Gage is going to be called N-Gage QD

No, I don't think you can just upgrade the N-Gage software. You require the hardware too.

Most people like the MP3 Player and Radio, seeing it as a multimedia phone: games, music, phone calls.

Advantages of the N-Gage QD are the MMC Hot-Swappable, the short-cut key (green tick) and the 65, 536 colour screen (still backward-compatible with previous N-Gage games eg SonicN)

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 02:59 AM
The MP3 player is about the only thing that I use it for.

nk_au
14-04-2004, 03:11 AM
I thought Nokia would keep the old features and add new. Looks like they're making new and dropping the old

It's like fighting a war, and you're invading France. You take Paris and go on to Lyon. After you successfully took over Lyon ... Paris is taken back by the French. Stupid war ain't it?

NB: No offense French, but that example reminds me of Nazis ...

nk_au
14-04-2004, 03:15 AM
Those people believe that there is a Camera! OMG. The Symbian OS is a protype. And you'd think that Nokia would sacrifice MP3 and Radio just for a Camera? pfft ...

Hunzol
14-04-2004, 03:18 AM
Heh I thought ppl would of learnt their lession by now but I guess it's an on going saga, you never by the first model of this kind of design, same shiyt goes with cars, n-gage 1 is like the prototype...

sheesh.. :rolleyes:

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 03:53 AM
so, in a way, ngage users aint neccessary lose out too.

both fones can play ngage games, and ngage still has radio and mp3. thou u still look funny talking on the fone.

but i like the new design, much better looking.

PsychiatricHelp
14-04-2004, 03:54 AM
No Radio - Does not bother we only have 4 radio stations where I Live
No MP3 - Just install a MP3 player
No Side Talking - Who cares, I have no shame I don't get embarresed with Ngage
65,000 colours - Does not bother me I'm Colour Blind (http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html)
Short & Thick or Long & Thin sounds like nokias talking about ....

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 03:56 AM
man, cant they haf cam, mp3 and radio all in one... :(

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 03:59 AM
stereo is a big factor y i got the ngage. even if the ngage 2 cant haf mp3player in it, and still haf stereo speakers, but not app can play stereo sound. so, its kinda waste.

Quake3000
14-04-2004, 04:02 AM
i stick with my 6600 it can play n-gage games,it have 65,000 colours,and a cam what more do we need :D

PsychiatricHelp
14-04-2004, 04:03 AM
If the N-Gage had a cam alot more people would get one, alot of people are buying new phones just for the camera feature

PsychiatricHelp
14-04-2004, 04:13 AM
Hmmm both really the same.....

This reminds me of
Master System and Master System 2
Megadrive and Megadrive 2
Gameboy and Gameboy Pocket
Gameboy Advance and Gameboy Advance SP
Atari Lynx and Atari Lynx 2

Am I missing any?

Quake3000
14-04-2004, 04:19 AM
Can the PSP make photos,videos? yeah
Can u call with it? dòn`t know yeat
Does it have all the apps on it? guess it will come alot of hombrew apps
Can we play NES,GB,GBC,CommoDore 64 & mAmE on it? yeah there will be alot of emulators for the psp you got my word for it. it have the hardware too emulate the most stuff :)
How much RAM? 32mb
Expandable Memory? don`t know yeat
Mobile internet? don`t think so if so it will need a mobile keyboard or somthing
BT? yeah
.
there you got all the answer :D

Quake3000
14-04-2004, 04:26 AM
n-gage is a phone too and if they want to sell more of it! the cam are a must have! eks mms messages how stupid can those nokia people be!guess all the new mobiles will have cam now since mms are veryvery popular in now days :rolleyes:

holokid87
14-04-2004, 05:18 AM
I doubt that nex n-gage will come out netime this year....
i wonder where that pic was taken lol **think of the possibilities**

holokid87
14-04-2004, 05:22 AM
Lol i would buy it but at the moment nokia are bringing out all sorts of phones so when my upgrade is due i think ill wait another month and then decide what i want at the moment i think it will be the 6600 for me cos i like all its function and its shape lol **am i the only one**.

holokid87
14-04-2004, 05:25 AM
i was a poor deprived boy no game boy or mobile then had a bit of luck parents trusted me and said i can get both in one i was so amazed by mums kindness lol the one and only time.
Well i love my n-gage 2 bits (then agen who dosent)

nk_au
14-04-2004, 05:29 AM
It might be fake (just a thought) seeing that they mention 14th but not the month. If it is a qualified news reporter ... they know the basics ...

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 07:30 AM
Hmmm both really the same.....

This reminds me of
Master System and Master System 2
Megadrive and Megadrive 2
Gameboy and Gameboy Pocket
Gameboy Advance and Gameboy Advance SP
Atari Lynx and Atari Lynx 2

Am I missing any?

ngage seems like sega saturn then dream cast to me....

mr_marts
14-04-2004, 08:42 AM
well thats made my wait for the psp even more strong this is the 2nd flop from nokia lets face nokia and games don't mix theres one thing i don't understand the ngage qd as its going to be called on the ngage site it says its 4k color in the specs maybe i'am looking in the wrong area theres one thing for sure i ain't getting it

boo1985
14-04-2004, 10:11 AM
spec are out on the nokia site
http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/

am02
14-04-2004, 10:38 AM
It was very stupid of nokia to put no mp3 in the n-gage qd..well i tink there is radio coz i saw the picture of the n-gage using the radio in the official n-gage qd site..and i dun think its 65k colour bcoz it sys 2 in the official site..4096 Color AGAIN!!!what a moron..any1 knows abt the price range?

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 11:03 AM
Nobody really knows for sure. Nokia could make some really late alterations to the device.

Barn
14-04-2004, 11:15 AM
N-Gage QD aka N-Gage 2 launched on www.N-Gage.com, quote below:

'Meet the newest member of the N-Gage family! The N-Gage QD game deck has all the gaming features of the original game deck, plus a few welcome adjustments - like hot swap for your game cards. We trimmed off the MP3 player (and some of the price!), gave it a slick, non-sidetalking design, and shrunk it all down so it fits better in your pocket. The N-Gage Arena launcher software is also pre-installed and ready to go, so you're that much closer to owning the mobile gaming world. Hey, you talked, we listened!'

P.S. Interestingly in the specs it says that its still only has a 4096-color screen.

siulawrence
14-04-2004, 11:27 AM
As the N-gage and N-gage QD need to be fully compatible in hardware, seems 4096 colors is expected, but Nokia said QD's display will be brighter

removing MP3 and radio makes the QD a fully game oriented device, but may disappoint some ppl.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 11:38 AM
It'll lose more customers if they don't have an MP3 player or a radio.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 11:38 AM
What is nokia thinking?
No cam, no radio, no MP3 still 4096 colors....

Once again nokia fails to make an all round phone, wich they needed to keep the N-Gage scene alive...

There goes another great idea...

first Saturn then DreamCast now N-Gage... Don't they ever learn!!!

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 11:39 AM
yup, its the same, minus: radio mp3player, plus: talk normal, look better, how swap. the rest still the same.

not a worthy upgrade if u alreadi got the ngage.

am02
14-04-2004, 11:39 AM
Not some..All ppl are dissapointed :sad: ..within the time n-gage qd comes out..i m sure 75%of the ppl using n-gage are not gonna change to n-gage 2..watz the use of having an n-gage which modifies only the side talking and hot mmcs..While in my view..n-gage is much much better than the second 1..wherealse the n-gage 2 market demand will surely go down in a week after the n-gage comes out :-P ..Unless they really drop down the price to a 150 bucks OR Change the device features to camera with 65k..tat'll be much2 better..

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 11:40 AM
its actually quite the same, plus some minor physical stuff, minus radio, mp3 stuff.

i wonder y nokia wans to make another ngage like this.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 11:41 AM
It seems like more of a downgrade than an upgrade.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 11:42 AM
It's not really an improvement. More of a degrade than an upgrade.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 11:46 AM
its actually quite the same, plus some minor physical stuff, minus radio, mp3 stuff.

i wonder y nokia wans to make another ngage like this.


I think it has more RAM, and better CPU. Hopefully they also inplented a better speaker.
Well it's useless anyway, releaseing a "new" device with nothing new isn't new. Get my point here?

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 11:47 AM
@am02, agree wif u man, i wont wanna get this new one, ngage is better.

siulawrence
14-04-2004, 11:47 AM
Yup, I agree that it seems a down-grade...

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 11:49 AM
alrite peeps, a poll.

will u change from ur ngage to a ngage QD?

and y would u or wouldnt u?

for me, i wouldnt, coz ngage QD dun haf radio, mp3 (its mono i tink), onli hot swap and talk normal.

wat bout u guys?

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 11:50 AM
can't vote...

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 11:52 AM
can't vote...

oh my, u r quick! i haven even finished typeing the poll options!

vote now!

boo1985
14-04-2004, 11:55 AM
if ngage QD is going to play the same games and stuff as the original ngage, theres not much reason to increase cpu speed. ram increase more likely. but it looks to me its gonna be a cheaper version of ngage. one without the frills.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 11:56 AM
if they come up with an external cam they might save something...

But then again, when did nokia ever did something smart?

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:00 PM
what am i supposed to choose if i where intending on buying it?

Yes, i will upgrade from my ngage to ngage QD????????

please make another option... :)

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:02 PM
I am not going to upgrade. The N-Gage QD seems to be unimproved from the N-Gage, with less key features.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:04 PM
I can't recall them making a smart move. The Nokia 3310/3315 has been there best seller.

But if they want the N-Gage QD to be purely a gaming machine, then why would they put a camera on?

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 12:04 PM
erm, cant seem to edit the poll...

anyway, i assume most ppl here voting got the ngage, otherwise, choose yes to upgrade if yea getting the ngage QD.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:06 PM
But if they want the N-Gage QD to be purely a gaming machine, then why would they put a camera on?

Why do u want to make a pure gameing device?
The more funxtions teh better, think that is common by now!

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:07 PM
If it has a better CPU and RAM, that would mean that N-Gage QD games would not be compatible with the original N-Gage.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:12 PM
Ye so?

Since when do PS2 games play on PSX???

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:20 PM
That means that Nokia will make all games just for the N-Gage QD, meaning that the N-Gage will be useless for gaming.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:24 PM
That means that Nokia will make all games just for the N-Gage QD, meaning that the N-Gage will be useless for gaming.

Dunno seems a bit awkward to me too, but it is possbile,just have a quick look at Red Faction then to the new ASHEN vids.
Big Differance!!!!

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:25 PM
It very well could be. There are a lot of gullible websites out there, that would believe any story that someone gave them.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:28 PM
eeehm it's 14th now, check n-gage.com :D

nk_au
14-04-2004, 12:28 PM
I told you, it was called N-Gage QD. It's being presented on www.n-gage.com

nk_au
14-04-2004, 12:29 PM
Its called N-Gage QD. I was right. There is a preview of the N-Gage QD on www.n-gage.com

What a stupid way of presenting it! Pissing all the N-Gage users off ...

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:32 PM
Well the only reason that Nokia would get rid of the MP3 player and radio, would to make it purely as a gaming machine. So why would they put a camera on it if that were what Nokia were planning.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:33 PM
Ye at first, then as any jelous N-Gager would do, browseing it's specs. Only to find out that it has NO RADIO,NO STERIO & NO MP3!!! Then with a big smile ,grabs his n-gage turns on the Radio and plugs in his Sterio headset...

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:35 PM
But that was the one of the few strong points N-gage had over GBA...

Now when that is gone, only thing remains are the Symbian Cap. wich hardly anyone knows of...

nk_au
14-04-2004, 12:36 PM
Meet the newest member of the N-Gage family! The N-Gage QD game deck has all the gaming features of the original game deck, plus a few welcome adjustments - like hot swap for your game cards. We trimmed off the MP3 player (and some of the price!), gave it a slick, non-sidetalking design, and shrunk it all down so it fits better in your pocket. The N-Gage Arena launcher software is also pre-installed and ready to go, so you're that much closer to owning the mobile gaming world. Hey, you talked, we listened!

The N-Gage is 4096-color screen and backlight, Dual-band EGSM 900/GSM1800 phone, IHF speaker for game sounds plus vibrating game effects, uses BL-6C batteries!

But the bad are: 4k screen, hs7-n dual mono headset (which suggests mono sound, as no mp3 or radio to "cut cost") and worst of all ... it doesn't have a USB Cable support!

Another stupid thing, is that the headset connects at the top of the N-Gage QD, not at the bottom like the current N-Gage does.

This N-Gage QD is going to be a failure and a flop. I'd rather buy a cheaper N-Gage than this QD crap.

QD = Quality Diminished

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:38 PM
voted im not getting either, since i don't own an N-Gage and im not convinced on buying one.
If i do i would go for the old N-Gage though

NiX_
14-04-2004, 12:39 PM
Doesn't say anything about a camera!! 1 month away, better start selling my n-gage

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:39 PM
I don't think it's to cut costs. It doesn't cost them much to make the phones.

Honestly, I think that this N-Gage QD seems like a piece of 'quality' rubbish.

v7e6j5
14-04-2004, 12:40 PM
The only way i would buy the N-Gage QD if the price is right. I love the way the lay out of it is. Check the Nokia webpage of it, http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/ngage_qd/.

nk_au
14-04-2004, 12:40 PM
Yea. Radio is pretty cheap these days. So why not wack it on? MP3 Player is a must, seeing that you want teenagers and young adults appealing to the N-Gage QD

And as i said, QD = Quality Diminished ...

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:41 PM
Oops. Don't read my above post. It's void now.

I wouldn't sell off my N-Gage. It seems to be worse than the N-Gage.

nk_au
14-04-2004, 12:42 PM
Why would you sell your N-Gage anyway? I would respect the N-Gage rather than buy the N-Gage QD

N-Gage QD has no camera, no mp3, no radio. Headset is mono, and is connected on the top of the QD! N-Gage QD is still 4k screen! OMG! What a rip job!

QD = Quality Diminished

v7e6j5
14-04-2004, 12:43 PM
Go 2:http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/ngage_qd/, 4 more info on the Nokia N-Gage QD.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:44 PM
Nice acronym.

I don't care if Nokia ditch the radio, because I don't use it. But the MP3 player being cancelled... NOOOOO!

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:47 PM
Yeah, the design looks appealing. But the features are terrible.

NiX_
14-04-2004, 12:48 PM
lol yeh it doesn't say that on the n-gage site. I just saw that on another site. What a piece. I'll keep my n-gage, thanks.

hillbillyI
14-04-2004, 12:48 PM
First of all,
I'm disappointed in Nokia, i thought they would put lots of improvement into the device, but instead, they just take a whole bunch of stuff off of it.
Cons:
-no MP3 player
-no FM radio ( alltough that wouldn't bother me very much )
-NO USB-Plug (!!!)
-downgraded to dual band
-They removed the select function from the D-pad !!!! I use this all the time !!!

and what do you get ?

a hot swap thingy ( i've never swapped my mmc for the last 4 months) , a button to start your game( saves you about two seconds of your life), the screen is a tad more illuminated ( although I didnt have any problems with the brightness of the original), and you can talk the classic way ( just get a bluetooth headset)

And it will be as exspensive as the original one !!!!!!! ( $199 )

So I recommend to the people who already have an n-gage; stick with it, it's not worth buying the new one, and to the people who are thinking about buying one, i would take the first one, honestly ( unless you really really want to talk the classic way, although u can do that with the first one as well)

And do not fear, the cpu and ram are the same, so they won't make N-gage QD exclusives,it says so on the website

Quote from website:
* All games fully compatible with both N-Gage and N-Gage QD game decks

I don't understand Nokia, if they would've put a camera in it i would heavily consider purchasing it, but like this, i really don't see why ...

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:49 PM
There isn't really ANY improvements.... A nice design, hot swappable MMCs, and the speaker has been relocated. Nothing really special.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:49 PM
Just use Ultra MP3 then...

Ow and games are both compatible--> From n-gage.com:

Made For Each Other

The N-Gage™ and N-Gage QD game decks have some differences in design and features, but they're completely compatible. They can use the same game cards, can play the same games in the N-Gage™ Arena, and you can even go head-to-head over Bluetooth wireless technology

v7e6j5
14-04-2004, 12:50 PM
Top of the morning to ya Gophermaster here in NYC. It take some getting use 2 i guess. The same way we got use 2 the N-gage.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:50 PM
They removed the select function from the D-pad !!!! I use this all the time !!!

No they didn't, still 9 way

h901
14-04-2004, 12:51 PM
hi,
jst would like to let everyone no that n-gage 2 has been named officially by nokia as n-gage qd. more info at nokia.com of a direct link http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/ngage_qd/ hope this helps

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:51 PM
I don't really understand Nokia. They make 'better' models of phones that are crapper than the original.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:53 PM
Ergo: My dog can do a better job than the N-Gage QD development team.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:55 PM
Yeah I know. The N-Gage QD seems to be a let down to me, I thought Nokia would make something decent.

hillbillyI
14-04-2004, 12:56 PM
No they didn't, still 9 way

From website:
* Select function removed from rocker key for better gaming

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 12:57 PM
i was wondering, wat does QD stand for?

Quite Disappointing?

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:57 PM
I thought Nokia would make something decent.


They can't, obviously

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:58 PM
I think tzeonn (because he is the most frequent moderator in these parts) should make an "Official N-Gage QD Thread" and have it stickied, so hundreds of threads are not created.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 12:59 PM
They can't, obviously

Well that's true. The 6600 seems to be the closest to "The Perfect Phone" so far...

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 12:59 PM
From website:
* Select function removed from rocker key for better gaming

AAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOOO please don't let it be true

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 01:01 PM
Ye desing is the thing that attracts me the most, still worried about the C-pad, does it provides enough grip when u have greasy hands?

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 01:02 PM
Damn... this is just getting stupider and stupider.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 01:03 PM
Man the thing isn't even out yet and it already flopped.

How pathetic

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 01:06 PM
I think that it's kind of funny...

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 01:09 PM
I think that it's kind of funny...

not really had all my hopes set on the new device and fully intended to buy the thing.

Well it's over obvious that this thing is only good in it's looks and "hot" MMC slot.
Rest it misses out on everything!!!

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 01:12 PM
getting confused here check THIS (http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/ngage_qd/phone/) pic underneath POWER TO PLAY i obviously see RADIO.
It's probebly an old N-Gage pic, pff nokia is even to lazy to make a new screen pic, how deep can u sink???

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 01:13 PM
I think tzeonn (because he is the most frequent moderator in these parts) should make an "Official N-Gage QD Thread" and have it stickied, so hundreds of threads are not created.

how bout i make a sticky thread, and u guys can talk there?

its kinda messy wif all the threads all over symbian sections.

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 01:15 PM
as suggested by gophermaster, pls talk in this thread about ngage QD, i will try moving all the posts to this thread.

regards.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 01:15 PM
u decide, ur the mod here!

Gonna start up IRC anyway...

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 01:18 PM
Yeah. I see what you mean. But it's the stupidity of Nokia that is funny.

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 01:19 PM
getting confused here check THIS (http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/ngage_qd/phone/) pic underneath POWER TO PLAY i obviously see RADIO.
It's probebly an old N-Gage pic, pff nokia is even to lazy to make a new screen pic, how deep can u sink???

Lol! I didn't notice until you just mentioned it, Nokia's propaganda people are really lazy.

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 01:22 PM
They are not stupid, just retarded.

Look at the "new" communicator and the "new" 7610.

Nokia is trowing in their own windows...

tzeonn
14-04-2004, 01:34 PM
Ok, threads merged (phew)

chat bout ngage QD stuff in this thread, pls try not to start new threads.

regards.

leespud
14-04-2004, 02:28 PM
ok i think this is aimed at <14 year olds, its confirmed to be a cheaper price than than the n-gage so they can afford it to starts, im sorry to say this but <14 are not as technology aware as most people on this forum, fashion crazy?? of i cant be seen on a talking taco nut ill still be cool with an n-gage??? how many kids will buy blank mmc cards?? this could be n-gage saviour!!! little kids no blank mmc n-gage qd buying the genuine games!!!! i know a few kids they have genuine agmes but no blank mmc's!!! meaning no use for mp3 player if no mmc?? i can see this community is is fulled with people not of the target audience of the qd!!

gophermaster
14-04-2004, 02:36 PM
Hmm... I get what your saying... Perhaps Nokia aren't as stupid as I keep on claiming...

nk_au
14-04-2004, 02:39 PM
Is the word "degrade" or "downgrade"?
And yea, QD is crap. Quality Diminished ...

Iceman5
14-04-2004, 04:23 PM
well i think u n-gagers should be happy! this will means that n-gage wont die and new games will now keep coming in as both n-gage and n-gage qd use the same games....

maybe nokia made this to make ppl realize what the original n-gage can do and more ppl will buy that instead xP

AsA
14-04-2004, 05:33 PM
no radio, no mp3 player, no camera, no colour, no buttons, no loudspeaker, no mmc slot, can't be used at phone, games are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (without down them!), no no non onon ononooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Fu*kkkk this phone!!!

N-GAGE QD
THE WORST PHONE
THE WORST TECHNOLOGY
THE WORST COVER
BE THE WORST FOREVER !!!!


:lol: evil: :D :evil: :evil: :-P

Wouwz
14-04-2004, 05:57 PM
Here are some HIGH quality photos of the N-Gage QD

As u can see im 2 lazy to pack the links :lol:

All are worth the look!

front
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/N-GAGE_QD_Prof_1.jpg
front
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/N-GAGE_QD_Fron_1.jpg
front
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/N-GAGE_QD_Prof_2.jpg
uuuw, hwo would it feel to slide this baby in?-->
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/08_ngage_qd_low.jpg
back
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/N-GAGE_QD_Back.jpg
bottom
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/N-GAGE_QD_Bottom_1.jpg
top
http://nds2.photos.nokia.com/press/photo/ngage/jpeg/N-GAGE_QD_Bottom_2.jpg

Ow and if u got broadband go here---> http://www.nokia.com/nokia/1,8764,33325,00.html?appId=4

garfieldip
14-04-2004, 08:44 PM
I think Nokia removed the usb to prevent people from downloading games from internet
At least you will need a card reader then

Bossworld
14-04-2004, 10:12 PM
Sounds alright.

I won't be upgrading, besides there's no point, this ngage isn't aimed at the existing ngage owners

At least there'll be some new games (hopefuly cracked)

v7e6j5
15-04-2004, 01:34 AM
Nokia new N-Gage QD will be out in the US in June i read from www.cnet.com. But less say 4 argument sake the N-gage did not come out yet. And it came out in June the same time that N-gage QD, was coming out which 1 would u buy.

paulmca2001
15-04-2004, 01:38 AM
I'm on the Nokia website now and ive just read all about it, but i didn't see anything about a camera. It does look great though and this one may be able to fit in my pocket! The best improvements are the hot-swap games and the earpiece being moved to a more.............normal place on the phone.

NiX_
15-04-2004, 01:48 AM
But they forget to mention, they stripped it of stereo sound, which means no mp3/radio etc.

NiX_
15-04-2004, 02:08 AM
It says on www.ngage.com that it will be out in may in Europe, Africa, and Asia pacific in May 2004 and June in America. I voted N-gage because N-gage QD doesn't have stereo sound, which means no mp3 or radio. It also has no camera.

Pou_pee
15-04-2004, 02:26 AM
well i think u n-gagers should be happy! this will means that n-gage wont die and new games will now keep coming in as both n-gage and n-gage qd use the same games....

maybe nokia made this to make ppl realize what the original n-gage can do and more ppl will buy that instead xP

Absolutely!

I bet there'll be at least 10 more titles for us "N-gagers" to be enjoy :D

and oh the QD thingys must be dam cheap IMO

GeeZuZz
15-04-2004, 02:34 AM
Some of you are completely misunderstanding the concept here...

I'm pretty sure that this device will be MUCH more popular than the previous.

They failed making N-gage popular because it was an all-round device, making it expensive.

The new device will be much cheaper, and is made to be a gaming-device with phone - not a phone with game support.

This new will be affordable for a lot more people, and will even make it a competitor to Game Boy and such stuff.

But i agree - to please even the people with money and demands - they should make a "top-model", where everything is included. Megapixel camera, MP3, Radio, USB, Triband etc.


Btw, you can't see any difference on 4096 colors and 65536 colors on such small screens, unless there is some really great 3D image created in 3D Studio Max or something.

Sony_Ericsson
15-04-2004, 02:58 AM
I agree the N-gage QD could be a success. It seems to be easier to use for people who only buy games. The problem is that the old N-gage has given N-gage a bad name. I'm not sure this thing can fix that.

But I myself would rather buy the old N-gage since it has MP3 and radio. Actually the reason I didn't buy it was that it didn't have a camera. They will also continue to make N-gage so people can choose that if they want more features.

But I heard that Nokia has been losing money lately or getting less profit. Could that be because of the failure with N-gage?

Pou_pee
15-04-2004, 03:01 AM
I agree it will most likely be much more popular than the previous one, but I dun think the 1st one was considered "expensive" say if you compared to others companies like Samsung, SE, and Siemens.

Look at all S40 phones, that's what I considered "expensive"

cheers :smile:

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 03:22 AM
Nokia new N-Gage QD will be out in the US in June i read from www.cnet.com. But less say 4 argument sake the N-gage did not come out yet. And it came out in June the same time that N-gage QD, was coming out which 1 would u buy.

I'd buy the N-Gage QD,

Its made for better gaming.

I don't carry around tangley headphones so I have no need to listen MP3's in stereo (unless I went jogging or to the gym which is rare).

N-Gage QD is cheaper

No one likes change but soon you will change your mind and think the QD is just as good or better than its older brother. How many people bought their N-Gage for stereo headphone MP3 music and not gaming? none

Pou_pee
15-04-2004, 03:29 AM
How many people bought their N-Gage for stereo headphone MP3 music and not gaming? none

Count me as one (and there'll be a lot more). I bought it b-coz of all those features :smile:

btw, all comments about N-gage QD should go to sticky - Symbian General Forum

NiX_
15-04-2004, 03:47 AM
They are actually the same price. I bought my N-gage new for $199 (http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product%5Fid=020231)
and Nokia says the N-gage QD is going to $199
(http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/press/Press+releases/press_news_140404.htm "to €199/$199 as an unsubsidized, untaxed retail price.")

I didn't buy my N-gage for games, if I wanted games I would have bought a Gameboy Advance, I bought It for the whole package. I'm no old senior who is scared of change, I was about to put my N-gage up for auction so I could buy a N-gage QD.

Andy_7650
15-04-2004, 03:47 AM
go for an ngages cos out of the tow of them what one has mp3's,so what id you have to turn off the fone to change games atleast u have tunes lol. a always need ma tunes lol

tzeonn
15-04-2004, 03:48 AM
Count me as one (and there'll be a lot more). I bought it b-coz of all those features :smile:

btw, all comments about N-gage QD should go to sticky - Symbian General Forum

i agree, all the threads of ngage QD are pretty numerous and messy, coz they are every the symbian forums.

pls chat bout ngage QD in the sticky ngage QD thread in symbian main.

cheers.

NiX_
15-04-2004, 03:49 AM
PS Yeh I was thinking about how it was in the wrong section as well, but its a gaming phone so I guess it fits.

nk_au
15-04-2004, 03:50 AM
People who don't use SEARCH buttons, hmph.

Anyway, If I wanted one of those phones ... I'd buy the N-gage for its mp3, radio, phone can games. It's what I love ... a "four-in-one" device

Unfortunately mine was stolen, I got a 6600 again with the insurance money

NiX_
15-04-2004, 03:52 AM
Yeh sorry didn't see the sticky. I agree keep it in the sticky.

gophermaster
15-04-2004, 04:32 AM
i agree, all the threads of ngage QD are pretty numerous and messy, coz they are every the symbian forums.

pls chat bout ngage QD in the sticky ngage QD thread in symbian main.

cheers.

Tzeonn man, I thought that sticky thread would get rid of some of this clutter.

gophermaster
15-04-2004, 04:51 AM
It doesn't really worry me about this 'N-Gage QD'. I won't be losing any sleep over it.

gophermaster
15-04-2004, 04:55 AM
It's stripped of everything. It's purely a gaming machine.

NiX_
15-04-2004, 05:07 AM
I agree and have from the start. I thought they should do something like this. I am 15 and go to school and have a N-gage. People say time and time again, "Hey thats that gaming phone" and come over and have a look. I tell them that it has radio, mp3 and videos etc. None of them no this and are astounded. They ask me, "How much", I say $199. Nobody knew about mp3 etc and all the stuff you could do. None of them would be able to do most of it. Specs like 4096 colours, symbian are foreign and unimportant, Ease of use and looks were important. Most just saw the games and thought it was cheap. I think the downgrade will help, but i don't know how much.

gophermaster
15-04-2004, 05:13 AM
The good thing about this N-Gage QD, is that it might bring more games for the original N-Gage.

nk_au
15-04-2004, 05:15 AM
Sorta secures the N-Gage and N-Gage QD's future a bit doesn't it?

gophermaster
15-04-2004, 05:20 AM
I hope so. The N-Gage QD might still be a flop though.

orionpax
15-04-2004, 05:31 AM
This is disgusting...even though i agree with the others that the Ngage QD will be more popular and a lot cheaper (market niching to target real gamers and a choice)...i would still prefer the old N-gage...more value for your money despite its size...the only bother is the sideways thingie..hehehehe..here in the Philippines...where Ngage game cards are expensive and its more practical to buy the old Ngage ( Mp3, radio, Symbian phone,,etc) than the QD....besides...the prices of Series 40 phones here are almost the same as the N-gage....an Ngage here is priced the same as a N7250 or SET610.....

nk_au
15-04-2004, 05:53 AM
The N-Gage is a incredible prices here in Australia cheaper than Nokia 7250 or Sony Ericsson T610. Its Series 60 and Symbian, so people might buy it cause its a colour phone. But handsfree or BT Headset is a must

QD = Quality Diminished

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 06:09 AM
Has anyone thought about this?;

The release of the QD was from nokia bowing to gaming industry critics to make a more user friendly gaming device.

The release of the QD was from nokia bowing to Mobile Phone critics to get rid of side talking.

Games being delayed were because Nokia felt the games were not good enough to be released and made game developers improve the games to AAA quality rather than selling B grade games with bad reviews which would affect the N-Gage reputation which the current games are doing now

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 07:46 AM
Like a 6600 without a camera that plays quality games

nk_au
15-04-2004, 08:15 AM
"Like a 6600"? Not really because the 6600 is of a higher standard. N-Gage and its QD (Quality Diminished) is among the 5100 and 6100 with games and Symbian.

nk_au
15-04-2004, 08:19 AM
Sort of, yea ... I was thinking from that point as well.

1. Nokia uses QD to boost N-Gage's popularity (highly unlikely)
2. Nokia attempts to make as-cheap-as-possible N-Gage ... the QD (aka Quality Diminished)!

But the good thing is that the release of QD sorta secures the original N-Gage's survival ... future game releases (Call of Duty and Ghost Recon, damn ... why did they thief have to steal my N-Gage? :-x )

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 09:03 AM
Why are my replies to other threads showing up in this thread??????? :-x

nk_au
15-04-2004, 09:06 AM
You opened the wrong window maybe?

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 09:09 AM
Taken from the N-Gage Site .........Link (http://www.n-gage.com/en-R1/gamedeck/ngage_qd/faq/faq_general.htm)

What does “QD” stand for?
When naming this latest device, we wanted to find a combination of letters that would be international and work in many different languages. Our marketing organization was looking at the key product features of the N-Gage platform and they were inspired by the fact that you can carry your N-Gage device with you all the time so that it’s easy to play whenever you want, every day.

Which is where the QD comes from: it’s Latin for every day or daily (quaque die).

I think its better than "SP"

nk_au
15-04-2004, 09:10 AM
Na, I think its QD = Quality DIminished

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 09:25 AM
Also QD could stand for;

Quick Death
Queer Dick
Quiet Demon
Questionable Defeat
Quaint Dainty
Qualm Drug
Quarter Diminished
Quash Doubts
Quit Drugs

PsychiatricHelp
15-04-2004, 09:28 AM
N-Gage.com says its available quarter second 2004
Hello this is the second quarter 2004

tyler
15-04-2004, 10:23 AM
2 n-gage models out soon on shop...

Now we ONLY have to wait for more games...

nk_au
15-04-2004, 10:34 AM
I think the flow of games will be inevitable, but the amount of games being developed and released (without being cancelled) is a question

NiX_
15-04-2004, 12:03 PM
It says on the N-gage website, "The N-Gage QD game deck is expected to be available in May 2004 for Europe, Africa and Asia Pacific and in June 2004 for the Americas"

Bossworld
15-04-2004, 12:33 PM
Has anyone thought about this?;

The release of the QD was from nokia bowing to gaming industry critics to make a more user friendly gaming device.

The release of the QD was from nokia bowing to Mobile Phone critics to get rid of side talking.

Games being delayed were because Nokia felt the games were not good enough to be released and made game developers improve the games to AAA quality rather than selling B grade games with bad reviews which would affect the N-Gage reputation which the current games are doing now

I've got a theory. I think if you look at the game's coming up, a lot of them are online enabled. Nokia have realised they'll get cracked anyway, but seeing as so far the cracking groups have removed online play from them, people will buy the original.

Hence why i'm trying to track down an original THPS

KrAzY3
15-04-2004, 09:20 PM
I must confess that I haven't read all the posts here, but I skimmed over a few page and I want to put my two cents in.

First off, past and present N-Gages will work with BOTH N-Gages. There means neither will be obsolete.

Secondly, they will be sold side-by-side. They aren't trying to get current N-Gage fans to run out and buy QD, but rather they are trying to appeal to gamers that didn't like the original N-Gage. If you love the old N-Gage, keep it, or if you haven't yet, buy it.

The original N-Gage ran into several problems. Many of which had to do with a lack of acceptance in the gaming world and Nokia's lack of savy in the gaming world.

The N-Gage QD improves in virtually every problem area of the N-Gage. As for the removed features, I can't count the times I heard people say "Jack of trades and master of none" in refference to the N-Gage. But once again, if you want all those features and love all those features (as many of us existing N-Gage fans will) then just hang onto the original, but no need to whine about it.

Nokia is trying to move forward in the gaming industry. They have held back the release date of several games, until the QD is released. Making a re-release of sorts. They, and any N-Gage fan, should hope that this goes better then the initial debut of the N-Gage. If it does then we owners of the original N-Gage will see more games and more content for the N-Gage line of phones.

So we'll see. Apparently Nokia has marked early 2005 as the cut-off point. If the N-Gage is still not very successfull then they will most likely pull the plug on the project. However, if sales peak up with the new games and new device... who knows in another 6 months we might be talking about a N-Gage HQ or something with all the features you could imagine.

Wouwz
15-04-2004, 09:46 PM
That is what i call a GOOD post!

Here u go 10 reputation points!!!

Ow and ur right bout everything :D

tzeonn
15-04-2004, 10:45 PM
@KrAzY3 yeap, definitely agree wif wat u said.

im sure more and better games will come out for ngage.

nk_au
16-04-2004, 02:05 AM
N-Gage HQ? N-Gage Headquarters? Lol :lol:

PsychiatricHelp
16-04-2004, 03:20 AM
I didn't sign up for this! noone told me Ninjas were going to be involved

jason050801
16-04-2004, 03:56 PM
Do you think that you can still play backed up games (or cracked games, as you may put it) on the N-Gage QD, or is it possible that they re-wrote the software protection to NOT run in the N-Gage QD.

Considering I'm from a 3rd world country in Asia, this will be a deciding factor whether sales will be good or not...


Aside that, we all know that the QD will be able to play all the old N-Gage Games (Nokia would be stupid not to do so), and since it is running Symbian60, it has to have the wonderful s60 programs as usual... I heard the N-Gage is $199 or $99 (with a plan), but I'm not sure if this is on wholesale price... One of the reasons why no one really bought the N-Gage was its price ($250)...good move for Nokia on this one.

I really do hope the QD will do well (and that you can play 'backed up' games). I will buy original games though to support Nokia if I think its worth it and if I have the cash...

Wouwz
16-04-2004, 05:08 PM
Just went on my monthly visit to the nokia centre, talking bout N-Gage QD, and picking up a protection case, then this guy told me that with his current expirience, the N-Gage QD will get stalled until September... "Nokia really has a hand in delaying, the last thing that hasn't been delayed was the 6310i" And we all know that that phone is ancient history!

Ow well maybe they really have their stuff ready on time, this time.


Believe it or not, im just posting what he told me.

tzeonn
16-04-2004, 05:28 PM
wat, delay fones too!!!

erm, but i seldom hear of the fones by nokia being delayed...

anyway, i got my ngage for company... juz waiting for more games :rolleyes:

Wouwz
16-04-2004, 05:33 PM
erm, but i seldom hear of the fones by nokia being delayed...

6600, delayed, 3650 delayed, 7650 delayed, n-gage delayed, 7200 delayed and probebly many more...

If they really wanna score it's best that they release their baby on time...

garfieldip
16-04-2004, 06:41 PM
I think they can only defer dates like "late 2003, 2004"
But what you found on sites like ebay can't be wrong!

otherwise ebay / nokia will have to pay compansation for dalay

i saw many people wanted 65536 color for n-gage.
But I just want to say that it's not healthy for it to have 65536.

The symbians by nokia is only running on Arm104 processor, it can't handle task that demand too much.

If you ever played 3d game on computer you will know that more color depth means more processing and hence slower performance.

65536 / 4096 = 16
it's 15 times more work load for the CPU!!

if they really put 65536 on n-gage and not changing the CPU (they won't)
expect slow 3d performance or poor 3d graphic made up with less triangles

The next generation n-gage must have a 3d graphic chip on it
allow higher color depth/resolution
But we will have to see if nokia will continue the ngage project

gophermaster
17-04-2004, 04:59 AM
Yeah. That's true. Your right...