Why are people b*tching about Nokia so much?

[bogu]

I've read so many posts about how Nokia screws up: my phone died, they release too many models, my phone doesn't have everything I want, and so on and so on... Nokia rules!!! I can't think of any other cell-phone company that even can lick Nokia's feet. They release so many models? That's great, you can get whatever pleases you the most. Your phone died? Get a new one. Not enough features for ya? Shove it. I mean, the best example I can think of is the Sony p800 and the 3650. Only difference is Sony has a touch screen. 3650 sells for under $100 now and p800 will cost you several hundreds. I always LOVED Nokia phones, back in the day when it was so hard to use any other phone (Motorolas the most) because of a screwed up menu, Nokia's were always so simple to use and they still are even though they have so many features now. The best phone ever I think is the 3390, you can drop this thing from 20 meters and it will still work no problem. I even dropped my 3650, and I thought well goodbye. No, works no problem, battery fell out, phone got scratched but it works still. So stop yer b*tchin fellas.

[Andy_7650]

my m8's 3650 (still under waranty) got sent away to nokia cs it wouldnt get by the nokia startup n he got told his fone was buggered and was unfixable they didnt even give him a replacment or nuffin so does that sound like nicey nicey nokia to you.i thin not lol

drew :-P

[bogu]

Sh*t happens, for so many 3650's they have released there must be some bad apples right?

[Andy_7650]

yea but under waranty they should have replaced it.u wouldnt b sayin shit happens ifit happened to u.but anyways

drew :-P

[yuppo]

It not so much that nokia are great it's just the competion is so woefully pants. Nokias customer service is awful and their phones mess up way to often to have such a piss poor support network. Compared with the japanese market their phones are big, slow and obsolete but since we have no choice we just have to settle for the best of a bad bunch. Don't get me wrong, i've owned 6 nokias in a row but we all know that there is better technology out there it's just that none of the manufacturers are willing to use it, they'd rather filter it out slowly and sell more phones in the process.

[maxice5000]

I've read so many posts about how Nokia screws up: my phone died, they release too many models, my phone doesn't have everything I want, and so on and so on... Nokia rules!!! I can't think of any other cell-phone company that even can lick Nokia's feet. They release so many models? That's great, you can get whatever pleases you the most. Your phone died? Get a new one. Not enough features for ya? Shove it. I mean, the best example I can think of is the Sony p800 and the 3650. Only difference is Sony has a touch screen. 3650 sells for under $100 now and p800 will cost you several hundreds. I always LOVED Nokia phones, back in the day when it was so hard to use any other phone (Motorolas the most) because of a screwed up menu, Nokia's were always so simple to use and they still are even though they have so many features now. The best phone ever I think is the 3390, you can drop this thing from 20 meters and it will still work no problem. I even dropped my 3650, and I thought well goodbye. No, works no problem, battery fell out, phone got scratched but it works still. So stop yer b*tchin fellas.

No better Phones then nokia?? Try SONY's phone range,they open several cans of whoop-ass on nokias and pis* it back over them :P

[bogu]

I had a Sony...t310 . Worst phone I have ever seen. When you opened the Inbox it would literally take about a minute for it to load up (with 4 text messages inside), it was ridiculous.

[maxice5000]

I had a Sony...t310 . Worst phone I have ever seen. When you opened the Inbox it would literally take about a minute for it to load up (with 4 text messages inside), it was ridiculous.

fair enough but SONY top-spec phones (p900 etc) are so much better then NOKIAs

[Andy_7650]

i wouldnt say top spec because all fone makes have there strong point and weak point.lol thts what a think even though nokia can be a bit shit sumtimes id still go with no other fone make.

nokia all the way lol

drew :-P

(thts just ma opinion)

[Amotaal]

5110 --> 6110 --> 8810 --> 8210 --> Philips Genie [Back in the day this phone was FANCY but now suxxx!] --> Samsung [Can't even remember the model] --> 8210 --> 8850 --> 9110 --> 3650 --> 7250 --> 6800 --> 6820 ---> And now 6260 + 6170 + Currently looking for 9500!

Why did I say all that? Cuz I've been a nokia-addict since I held a cell-phone. Concider a large scale operation like nokia producing millions of phones per year, almost as equal to the sum of all the production of all other competitors. If you find 1 bad item for each brand name , then you will definately find as much bad nokias as all other competitors combined all together. I also agree that phone makers hold back technology. Thats typical economics. Happens everywhere, in almost everything you buy. Maybe in the future some magical phone will strive hard to try and get to number 1. Until then... Nokia-4-Eva !!!!

[smpballa240]

Why do we complain? Because people always want more than they have. No, not really; MOST of us here are smarter than that. I think Nokia does some great things, but most complaints I've seen are valid. If no one complained, the phones would never get better. And remember, this is the series 60 forum; I don't know about other Nokia phones, but us spoiled series 60 guys have come to expect a lot from our phones. To address your complaints about our complaining, bogu...

1) A lot of series 60 phones and firmware versions do have bugs out the ass-hole. 6260 is a disgrace in terms of software and my 3650 crashes on startup all the time (not to mention its lacking memory).

2) Until the 7610 and 6630, phones were consistently missing essential components, whether it be mp3 players, mmc slots that you didn't have to take the phone apart to access, useable keypad layouts, more than 10 second video recording, enough memory to run Opera, etc. Other companies actually WERE producing phones with all of these (e.g. treo 600, Siemens SX1, and SE p800).

3) Sure, back in the day certain companies had shite menus, but by now most have corrected that; Nokia's title as menu master is no longer completely indisputable.

4) "Your phone died? Get a new one"............... if you're okay spending 300 to 600 dollars on a phone and having to buy another one because the warranty won't honor it, be my guest, but the rest of us don't have 8 digit checking accounts.

5) Here in the states (and evidently in Thailand) Nokia customer service amounts to a guy over the phone staring at the same user manual I have in my closet. I still have firmware 2.54 because I'd have to mail my phone off for 6 weeks just to get it flashed.

6) Why is it bad they release so many models? I guess it's not bad for us, I just hate to see the waste of time and resources (the 7610 and 6670 clones were the only ones I had a problem with... well there were the 6600 and 6620 but they were actually a little different).

7) Of course the companies hold back technology, but only because if they put together a 600 mhz processor and 12GB compact flash card and 3D VGA screen and GPS and WIFI and EDGE and 3G and 5 MP camera the phone would cost more than your car. Remember, one of the benefits of capitalism is that if a company holds back, another company jumps on the opportunity to come out with a better product and comes out on top. So they only hold back as much as they have to.

I'm not saying i'm gonna abandon Nokia. I love my 3650. I plan on gettin a 3230 for my next phone. Maybe we are a lil spoiled, but if our complaints are unfounded, your bitching at us is even more so. If you want something to think about, the SE S700 with EDGE is considered by many to be better than the 6630, so don't be a mindless Nokia fanboy when they don't necessarily dominate the competition.

[Yaregistrado]

7) Of course the companies hold back technology, but only because if they put together a 600 mhz processor and 12GB compact flash card and 3D VGA screen and GPS and WIFI and EDGE and 3G and 5 MP camera the phone would cost more than your car. Remember, one of the benefits of capitalism is that if a company holds back, another company jumps on the opportunity to come out with a better product and comes out on top. So they only hold back as much as they have to.


Samsung is going to release phone models with 667 mhz centrinos. The problem isn´t that you can´t do a phone with all that features, it´s that you don´t have the technology to do that. There is a sentence in my country:

"Shoemaker to your shoes"

Nokia is a phone developer, and relatively few time ago, they didn´t cameras, mp3 players, etc. They are acquiring new techs to do their phone models. It´s impossible for nokia to release a new phone model with an incredible phone camera with the stupid hope that sony isn´t going to do something better in a short time. In the other hand, sony isn´t going to release a really good camera phone because they have their own camera´s market. I suposse a big company will appear with an integrated phone (pda, camera, etc), but this involves a big investment and a risky mind.

We are talking without market studies. I have read that nokia shareholders are worried because Nokia is losing market share. I had some time ago one of these studies (two years, more or less), in the point of view of phone service providers. They were focusing there efforts in UMTS, to grow up the network (coverage), and other things, but people worried about a high tech phone weren´t representative enough to develop really good phones. I hope things will change soon because I´m one of these minority man ;-)

[Thanh]

Hello :)

Came across this somewhat older thread, but i have to add my 2 cents here since i believe someone was mentioning me (bad service in Thailand) and my problems.

You see the signature under my post... well, i added that last bit after i was surprised how reliable my japanese phone is, compared to some others. Previously i was a Nokia fan, nothing ever could convince me of even TESTING a jap phone. Untill.... i wanted to change network providers, and CDMA in Thailand then didn't have a Nokia so a Sanyo it had to be (at that time only two models available, that Sanyo or a Samsung w/o cam for the same price... so better with cam, no?)

I have owned the following Nokia's so far (and others as well! But no "asians" before the Sanyo):

1611, 2110, 3210, 3310, 3315, 5130, 6610, 8250, currently 3650

My boyfriend has owned the following (and just two non-Nokia!):

3210, 8250, 8910, 7250, currently 6260

So you see we are loyal Nokia customers as well. But recently, with newer models, we had more and more need to use the customer "service". The older phones just were rock stable, no problems, ever. But the newer it gets, the more bugs/failures occur because the quality keeps dropping.

And the "service" provided here in Thailand is SHIT!!!! Sorry to say so, the truth sometimes hurts.

Take my last "adventure" for example, the Nokia 6260. You may have read my other threads around here..... picture:

I have spent a WHOLE MONTH SALARY on a single phone. That is because the 6260 costs the same here as anywhere else in the world (unlocked, w/o any contract that is), namely 16.600 Baht or converted some 415 us$. The average thai monthly income is some 9.000 Baht!! Well, i have a little advantage as an english-speaker working in international environment, still the phone took my whole October salary. It came with a "Nokia two-years extended warranty" from an official importer of Nokia phones into Thailand, tough twoweeks before Nokia released it officially.

Now, since the very first day this 6260 and it's endless bugs and failures caused headaches. Apps wouldn't run or crash, or even corrupt and be unusable from then on - the phone would lose network and freeze up, SMS could not be saved and were lost when powering down etc. Bringing it to the shop were i bought it (not really expecting a swap - yet a try doesn't cost anything) yielded the somehow expected answer: "Nokia itself is responsible for warranty claims". Here the odyssey begun.

Nokia confirmed the existence of several rather nasty bugs but they "did not have the necessary equipment to perform service on the 6260 since it is too new". They would "call me when it is available". The call never happened.

Onm my own i found that the equipment then arrived, sort of, and been sent to the head office, a two-hour journey thru whole Bangkok. Before the service guy asked me stunned where i got his phone number from?? And he "never seen me before", that's why he did not call me back.

Well the trip to the head office was for nothing since the "necessary equipment" did NOT arrive. The techie just had the need to send some foreigner wandering.

Five weeks gone so far, phone still only usable to make calls.

Another three weeks later, again on my own (don't even THINK Nokia would call back as they keep promising) i found out that (again!) "the equipment is now available, at Seacon Square". Again, half way thru Bangkok, on the other end this time (and near my apartment, which the techie (same chap!) of course did NOT know. This time i asked for a contact number, trying to get a hold of those people on my own. Got two landline numbers.

Both rang engaged several consecutive days.

I finally went there, and got to speak with a lady. Friendly still, she gave me a bullshit that i tought i would explode. "My technician is on holiday, you need to come again in two days time" while i saw the very technician fixing other 6260's in the background!! A loud voice from a VERY upset me finally had my boyfriend's phone go into "repair", scheduled to be completed the same day. Work to be done: Flash latest software version.

Got it back same evening. Memory erased, looking virgin. Yet... SAME OLD SOFTWARE. Why?? "Because there is only this one version in Thailand, you know sir, Thailand, slow-slow...". Bullshit again. I "demonstrated" the "Web" application againb corrupting and becoming useless after the very first try, and several Nokia people had a lively discussion for a few minutes (and i damn didn't understand a word - can't speak thai still!) Result: They found a nice story for an excuse to satisfy me: "We flashed a new version but the phone would not turn on, so we flashed the old one again". That guy then did the "three-button-reset" and again the phone was virgin. It took a whole 25 seconds. So i *think* all they did in the five hours i was sitting there waiting for the phone was pressing three buttons and joking about "how to screw a foreigner". They even had the nerve to tell me that "when it happens again, just come back and we fix again for free, it is warranty. Yes, every day if needed!" in total seriousness.

Oh, and the keypad on this "high end quality product" had chipped off a tiny bit on one of the keys after just four week in use.... answer from Nokia: The warranty covers ONLY THE MAIN BOARD. Great. "Two Years Extended Warranty" for the main board which just can't break and for pressing three buttons if the software plays up, which it does daily.

Needless to say, Nokia is now, after the phone is officially released since three months, still unable to flash a new software version.

And THAT is why i am bitching about Nokia!

Kind regards.....

Thanh

[MrDurst]

Just bought 2650, because I like Nokia's for their menu system but I bought a cheap one because I'm thinking of moving to a different brand(have to wait a little while, long story). 2650 I hear you laugh! Yes! Why? I just traded 2 6600 in because they're a pain in the ass, and that's an understatement. I've owned Nokia's for a long time and I also used to trade and repair them, you expect to be able to trust such an expensive phone but I've been let down too many times. I woke up very late one day, didn't realise it though until I looked at my phone screen reporting an application problem, I'm guessing that was the alarm clock. What's the point in having it if it wont work?

[bogu]

Hello :)

Came across this somewhat older thread, but i have to add my 2 cents here since i believe someone was mentioning me (bad service in Thailand) and my problems.

You see the signature under my post... well, i added that last bit after i was surprised how reliable my japanese phone is, compared to some others. Previously i was a Nokia fan, nothing ever could convince me of even TESTING a jap phone. Untill.... i wanted to change network providers, and CDMA in Thailand then didn't have a Nokia so a Sanyo it had to be (at that time only two models available, that Sanyo or a Samsung w/o cam for the same price... so better with cam, no?)

I have owned the following Nokia's so far (and others as well! But no "asians" before the Sanyo):

1611, 2110, 3210, 3310, 3315, 5130, 6610, 8250, currently 3650

My boyfriend has owned the following (and just two non-Nokia!):

3210, 8250, 8910, 7250, currently 6260

So you see we are loyal Nokia customers as well. But recently, with newer models, we had more and more need to use the customer "service". The older phones just were rock stable, no problems, ever. But the newer it gets, the more bugs/failures occur because the quality keeps dropping.

And the "service" provided here in Thailand is SHIT!!!! Sorry to say so, the truth sometimes hurts.

Take my last "adventure" for example, the Nokia 6260. You may have read my other threads around here..... picture:

I have spent a WHOLE MONTH SALARY on a single phone. That is because the 6260 costs the same here as anywhere else in the world (unlocked, w/o any contract that is), namely 16.600 Baht or converted some 415 us$. The average thai monthly income is some 9.000 Baht!! Well, i have a little advantage as an english-speaker working in international environment, still the phone took my whole October salary. It came with a "Nokia two-years extended warranty" from an official importer of Nokia phones into Thailand, tough twoweeks before Nokia released it officially.

Now, since the very first day this 6260 and it's endless bugs and failures caused headaches. Apps wouldn't run or crash, or even corrupt and be unusable from then on - the phone would lose network and freeze up, SMS could not be saved and were lost when powering down etc. Bringing it to the shop were i bought it (not really expecting a swap - yet a try doesn't cost anything) yielded the somehow expected answer: "Nokia itself is responsible for warranty claims". Here the odyssey begun.

Nokia confirmed the existence of several rather nasty bugs but they "did not have the necessary equipment to perform service on the 6260 since it is too new". They would "call me when it is available". The call never happened.

Onm my own i found that the equipment then arrived, sort of, and been sent to the head office, a two-hour journey thru whole Bangkok. Before the service guy asked me stunned where i got his phone number from?? And he "never seen me before", that's why he did not call me back.

Well the trip to the head office was for nothing since the "necessary equipment" did NOT arrive. The techie just had the need to send some foreigner wandering.

Five weeks gone so far, phone still only usable to make calls.

Another three weeks later, again on my own (don't even THINK Nokia would call back as they keep promising) i found out that (again!) "the equipment is now available, at Seacon Square". Again, half way thru Bangkok, on the other end this time (and near my apartment, which the techie (same chap!) of course did NOT know. This time i asked for a contact number, trying to get a hold of those people on my own. Got two landline numbers.

Both rang engaged several consecutive days.

I finally went there, and got to speak with a lady. Friendly still, she gave me a bullshit that i tought i would explode. "My technician is on holiday, you need to come again in two days time" while i saw the very technician fixing other 6260's in the background!! A loud voice from a VERY upset me finally had my boyfriend's phone go into "repair", scheduled to be completed the same day. Work to be done: Flash latest software version.

Got it back same evening. Memory erased, looking virgin. Yet... SAME OLD SOFTWARE. Why?? "Because there is only this one version in Thailand, you know sir, Thailand, slow-slow...". Bullshit again. I "demonstrated" the "Web" application againb corrupting and becoming useless after the very first try, and several Nokia people had a lively discussion for a few minutes (and i damn didn't understand a word - can't speak thai still!) Result: They found a nice story for an excuse to satisfy me: "We flashed a new version but the phone would not turn on, so we flashed the old one again". That guy then did the "three-button-reset" and again the phone was virgin. It took a whole 25 seconds. So i *think* all they did in the five hours i was sitting there waiting for the phone was pressing three buttons and joking about "how to screw a foreigner". They even had the nerve to tell me that "when it happens again, just come back and we fix again for free, it is warranty. Yes, every day if needed!" in total seriousness.

Oh, and the keypad on this "high end quality product" had chipped off a tiny bit on one of the keys after just four week in use.... answer from Nokia: The warranty covers ONLY THE MAIN BOARD. Great. "Two Years Extended Warranty" for the main board which just can't break and for pressing three buttons if the software plays up, which it does daily.

Needless to say, Nokia is now, after the phone is officially released since three months, still unable to flash a new software version.

And THAT is why i am bitching about Nokia!

Kind regards.....

Thanh

I've never had any major problems with Nokia phones to the extent that I would have to contact customer service so I can't really say if it's really that bad, even though I'm on my 3rd Symbian phone...Maybe it's a problem in Thailand, I don't think there's too many people there buying these things since you say they're so damn expensive relative to salaries so they probably don't pay that much attention to it.

[Thanh]

Hello :)

Noklia is marklet leader here in Thailand due to a VERY strong presence in the "middle class" of phones. When you roam in Bangkok, you will think "hell, EVERYBODY here has a cell phone" and that is pretty much fact... and Nokia has more than 60% of that market.

But the shame is that particular the "upper class" or "high end" phones receive such a bad service, SPECIALLY when people have to fork over such high amounts of money to get those phones. Imagine buying a BMW 7-Series and when it breaks down after 12 hours in use the garage will tell you "Sorry, the warranty covers only the spare wheel and we can't do service on this model for approximately 3 months from now". How would you think? Is that a way to thread customers after having banked their money?

And me being a foreigner doesn't make a difference. Just that thai people have the "mai pen rai" mentality, that is "i got screwed, so? Won't buy that brand again, period." They are not used to complaining, better shyly leave the shop and curse themselves for (again) having been duped. Not so with me. I have been working in customer service and have had to acknowledge warranty claims myself, selling and fixing bicycles and motorbikes in my home country. I KNOW how to thread customers in order to satisfy them and make them come back to me smiling, willing to buy my product again.

But i think Nokia is market leader anyway, so they will only care after Samsung has taken over top spot and LG is aiming for number two. I see that happening. The service with asian manufacturers is SUPERB compared with Nokia, regardless high-end or cheapo phone model, even here in Thailand.

Maybe i buy that Panasonic Symbian clamshell for my BF when it hit's the stores here..... and if it's good, a second one for myself.

Kind regards.....

Thanh

[ale3hs]

Yep, he's absolutely right, nokia customer service in the states is ridiculous, you might aswell be talking to monkey's. But then again, Sony Ericsson is just as bad if not worse, well... it's kind of hard to compare one retard to the other. Forget the cell phone company customer service...
Anyway, I had the 8890 for 4 years because I didn't really like any other nokia model that came out within that time frame, to be honest, I always kind of leaned towards nokia, now I have the 6630. It took nokia 4 years to create a phone that I really liked as much as the 8890. Nowadays, the only company that makes truely useless sh*t phones is motorola. In Japan the phone collection is unbelievable. Believe me, if those phones existed everwhere else in the world nokia would have been out of business years ago. I've been going to japan every december for the past 3 years. Even 3 years ago the phones in japan where better than the current models here, and hence better than 90% of the current nokia phones. SANYO makes better phones than nokia, you just don't see them, they are for the japanese markey only. Forget Sharp, they make unbelievable phones for Japan. If SONY were to make all their phone models with Ericsson Nokia would be done, finished. Well basically what I am trying to say is what someone else pointed above, the "rest of the" World phone market is primitive compared to the Japanese one. Forget the US, the US is still waaay behind europe, but wcdma shouldn't take too much longer to arrive :)



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5) Here in the states (and evidently in Thailand) Nokia customer service amounts to a guy over the phone staring at the same user manual I have in my closet. I still have firmware 2.54 because I'd have to mail my phone off for 6 weeks just to get it flashed.
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[Thanh]

Hi :)

Yeah you made a VERY good point. I have ben sticking to Nokia for a very long time, never having too much problems with their phoneOthe 8250 rebootet occassionally, but that was it. Then i got the 6610, still a very nice phone but already declining - two major bugs (invisible clock on screensaver, no backlight when someone from a caller group rang) but i took it as it was, a firmware upgrade would have solved it anyway.

Then i wanted to switch networks.

Here a new network started service, it's CDMA. Fantastic data speeds up to 153 kb/s, i tought "must have". But no Nokia avaiolable.... only a Sanyo and a Samsung back then, same price, the Sanyo with cam, the Samsung without. Both clamshell. So i got the Sanyo, it was also available in my favourite phone colour, which is BLUE!

That was in October 2003, and i still use it every day. Never let me down, no hangs, crashes, reboots. No fainting screen (yes i dropped it a couple of times), nice sounding ringers and can play those JAVA games as well. The cam... ok, good back then but now i use the Nokia (!) 3650 to take my pics, they're better than the Sanyo. Heck it's just a 100k pixels. But superb voice quality (better than GSM but that's a network issue, i believe if Nokia 3650 were CDMA it would be the same) and, for a clamshell, very good battery usage time. Downside: NONE. Well, yeah, can't upload ringtones via PC altough data cable available, yet no software! Only to transfer images.

In japan is a whole different system, i have never been there but i know their services.... FoMa and the others, it's all CDMA or 3G over there. They skipped "ordinary" GSM alltogether. True the phones are amazing, video streaming/video calls are standard, phonesa with dual cameras, stereo loudspeaker (!!) output and TV receiption are the norm. Well way to go for the rest of the world....... but also, the average jap phone can only hold it's power for half a day, that's a bummer.

Kind regards......

Thanh

[RiisE]

Hi ppl,

It look interest here, but one thing for sure is the "Customer Service" of Nokia, i mean thier policy.... , they will charge S$27.00++ if u having ur fone to be repair(even if it beyond repair).

Nokia make great fone i agreed, but thing i don't like is they make too many model, all do not have full function (i mean MP3+Radio+Camera+MP camare).
6260 is a great fone but the design n keypad make u sick, i strongly believe that they(NOKIA) make make a great fone but they just don't want to do it because their market policy.

I used to have 8210, SL45, 3650 but now i m using Motorola E680.


ale3hs,

i wld like to let your aware that Motorola is improving, E680 that i using now is a great fone even it is not a Symbian OS fone, my very first touch screen fone. With the lastest A1000, i believe it will attract many ppl attention soon.

After, i shd say that Nokia is good but not the great fone maker, others fone maker will still hold a share in the market, i think this shd be the healthy way.... u got a choice.

[Neophyte88]

text overdose, you guys really have to much time on your hands...

Anyway, We europeans are always late with new stuff the riceslurpers always get the latest before us.

I'd say: Just pack ur stuff and move to japan...

[ale3hs]

ale3hs,

i wld like to let your aware that Motorola is improving, E680 that i using now is a great fone even it is not a Symbian OS fone, my very first touch screen fone. With the lastest A1000, i believe it will attract many ppl attention soon.

After, i shd say that Nokia is good but not the great fone maker, others fone maker will still hold a share in the market, i think this shd be the healthy way.... u got a choice.

Your probably right, but the truth is no Symbian phone is a "bad phone" except perhaps for the earlier problematic nokia models. I have had many problems with the motorola's of the past and so do people I know that own current models. I want nothing to do with them, and hence my hard judgement :)

ThanH,

Yep they had phones with TV's on them 2 years ago! Thats when I was using the japanese version of the sharp GX30 with 1mp camera on a Vodafone network in Japan. Which btw, is pretty damn good compared to european vodafone networks. The thing is that phone selection and variety is so vast, each provider has at least 100 models, all different from the other provider. Last year (it could have even been prior to that) DoCoMo introduced the Sony so505is (I think thats the model) very similar to the S700, but much nicer, it had all the same spec's if not more. To add insult to injury, for the rest of us anyway, the prices of the phones through phone networks are painfully cheap. I got the 6630 through a vodafone contract of a friend of mine for about $200. A lot of european companies give you that phone through a new contract cheaper, granted. However, he did an upgrade, requireing no contact extention, and he had already upgraded to the sharp 902 about 3 weeks prior. Basically what happens in vodafone japan is that you can upgrade at any time for about 50% of the price of the phone. If you have had the phone for 1 year you get 80% off + the bonuses. He got the sharp 902 for about $80, which is nothing for that phone given that it costs $800 sim free. I don't know if it's ever going to be like that in the US given that t-mobile still sell's the Samsung D415 for $300 with a new contract.
So yeah, I like nokia, in fact about 80% of my phones have been nokias, but there not the best, not even near the best phone manufacturer.

[whoppass2003]

TIS DA fault of da godamn shitty Symbian OS man...dey hav been usin dis godforsaken OS for years with jus minor adjusments (patches) with every othr phone.....nokia shuld really increase da hardware specs an bump up da standard to Microsoft windows OS (mobile edition) ...smart phones will dominate the market and nokia shuld start .....sure Symbian OS and Java served well during the 7640 days..but now its all stale . . . if u look at windows its a whole new bloody experience.....and if u worried about the backward compatibility ....der are always dose third party developers who'll start makin symbian/java emulator :D ...nahh windows is the most universally accepted OS out there ...and will dominate future preferred phone market majority

[Thanh]

Hi there :)

Yeah the OS. I have been ranting about Symbian way before i had one in my hands, reading things that i tought are unbelievable (phone reboots all by itself??? Oh my god!) and having had to do with such phones from colleagues or friends. I specialised a while in the series 40, but then my boyfriend wanted a 6260 and got one, heck my worst nightmare came true and there was a truly unpredictable phone (would it work tomorrow?) which had cost a small fortune.

So just in order to get a feeling fopr the Symbian OS and it's bugs, i had, naturally, to get one myself. Since all my $$ went into that 6260 and there was no time to wait months for new savings to accumulate, i sold my beloved cute Panasonic x66 (at a profit, by the way!) and got myself a two-year old 3650. And the fun began.

Now couple of months later i have with the help of the guys here and endless time messing with that 3650 gathered some knowledge about Symbians, and i am now able to cope with the faults and quirks of both the 3650 and the 6260 sufficiently. So, NOW i can say that the OS is not all that bad. Just like with Windows, it's mostly the applications which the users put on, and more so, a COMBINATION of such applications that can (and do!!) interfer with each other.

But you say "Windows". Again i had not yet such a phone in my hand, just heard and read the usual things on the net. However, i surely don't want a phone that can execute and run just about every virus that has ever been coded. Can you imagine needing the whole Norton Suite, Internet security and Anti-Virus just to keep the WAP connections safe and prevent some guy in Russia or Timbuktu to send SPAM and download porn on your GPRS bill? Trojans, darling, and tomorrow coming to a smart phone near you. No thanks, no Windows powered phone for me.

Kind regards.....

your Thanh

[truffle1234]

Guys I am very new to the symbian OS and I just want to add something I have faced with the Palm and pocket PC users....

I was a palm user since 1996 till last week, as I just changed to Nokia 9500 for all in one device... I had this same issue in of opinions about things like PPC is bad and Palm is great and stuff.....

All I want to say is... we all are different people and we think and behave differently that’s why we like different things, I hope we do not criticize other brands, devices or even OS as most of those things are doing something different and we cant compare, some have Touch screens, some got keyboards.... some have Fax, some have push mail...

I only wanted to ask those guys who like to say out there opinions about things... please try the device out before you say any thing.... as I tried the Sony Ericsson P910i and nokia 9500 both devices are great but I choose 9500 for some things I liked about it but that does not mean that P910i is crap.....

Hope I did not offend any one in process....

Please take care and get along as we all are using Symbian OS now....

[seantintin]

yea but under waranty they should have replaced it.u wouldnt b sayin shit happens ifit happened to u.but anyways

drew :-P

well for you to give up if under waranty then thats you you stick to ur guns
and dont give in as soon as nokia knows that the person working for them is like they sack them nokia is the best and all ways will be and thats fact.Its like saying nasa is not the best at rockets.So you had a knock from a company but hey who has not?.

[TalkNokia.com]

Yep the warranty should have saved you there.

[sony143]

when starting my 6600 sound doesnot